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Author Topic: How Kiva Can Make You Richer  (Read 3678 times)
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norak
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« on: March 21, 2008, 08:39:51 PM »

Whenever I have thousands of dollars in my bank account and I am walking around at the mall, the temptation to whip out the debit card and start buying things (like a DVD or an mp3 player) is strong.

I can never lie, so whenever a family or friend asks how much money I have lying around, I have to tell them that I have thousands in my bank account, and when they hear this they usually ask if they can borrow the money. The problem is it's a pain getting the money back. I loaned $2000 to my brother two years ago and only received it back a week ago (he needed to buy a sports car).

Even though you can't earn interest, Kiva can help make your money less liquid and more scarce, thereby reducing the temptation to spend (otherwise you may go broke) and it gives you a perfectly good excuse not to lend to family and friends since you have already loaned the money to others who probably need it more.
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« Reply To This #1 on: March 21, 2008, 11:14:23 PM »

 Laugh  On first read, this is kind of funny, but I think there is truth to it!  I find it easier to sometimes say no to those extra expenses like drinks and eating out, because it is sobering to think of how much good that money could do one of the borrowers on Kiva rather than being a quick fix for one nights dinner.  And there is definitely truth to having your money tied up so that isn't not available for loans or giveaways to needy relatives!
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« Reply To This #2 on: March 22, 2008, 05:38:46 AM »

Ha! Very true!  Laugh

And I thought the true riches came fr.om helping to fight world poverty... Piggy Bank Drinks Wink
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« Reply To This #3 on: April 03, 2008, 08:02:45 AM »

Great point Norak...I can testify to your point completely, and so long as personal expenses and bills are in line I think its completely a positive thing to have some of your money "tied up" and inaccessible for some time through Kiva.  There is no temptation when the possibility of that temptation is impossible.
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« Reply To This #4 on: April 09, 2008, 03:28:52 PM »

I have found kiva makes me less likely to spend money on things I don't need; a number of times it has crossed my mind how many loans I could get instead of X; and once that thought goes through my mind I don't generally by X.
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« Reply To This #5 on: April 09, 2008, 03:40:27 PM »

I have found kiva makes me less likely to spend money on things I don't need; a number of times it has crossed my mind how many loans I could get instead of X; and once that thought goes through my mind I don't generally by X.

Yes, that is me, too. Everything will be converted into KIVA units.

Of course there are also plenty of websites where you could receive interests ... But hey, it feels not good for me in my stomach ;-)

The one is that KIVA probably addictive. So, in Europe it would have been a warning.  SOS
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« Reply To This #6 on: April 09, 2008, 03:47:39 PM »

I have found kiva makes me less likely to spend money on things I don't need; a number of times it has crossed my mind how many loans I could get instead of X; and once that thought goes through my mind I don't generally by X.
That's what I've been doing also!  My priorities have certainly changed since joining Kiva  Yes  Cheap wine isn't so bad after all!  Laugh
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« Reply To This #7 on: April 09, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »

Here's another interesting story on how giving can make you rich:
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth
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« Reply To This #8 on: April 10, 2008, 12:26:35 PM »

Interesting article, Sam, but I'm afraid I don't understand how they arrived at their conclusion. Can you or someone try to explain it to me?

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« Reply To This #9 on: April 10, 2008, 01:05:54 PM »

The explanation is on the second page (it took me a while at first to realize there was a second page since the page number link is kind of small and hidden):
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth#page2

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How can this be? Is it a statistical anomaly—or even a metaphysical phenomenon? While the link between giving and prosperity is not as mechanistic as returns on municipal bonds, there are some very earthbound explanations for it. Psychologists and neuroscientists have identified several ways that giving makes us more effective and successful. For example, new research from the University of Oregon finds that charity stimulates parts of the brain called the caudate nucleus and the nucleus accumbens, which are associated with meeting basic needs such as food and shelter—suggesting to the researchers that our brains know that giving is good for us. Experiments have also found that people are elevated by others into positions of leadership after they are witnessed behaving charitably.

The financial advantages of giving aren’t limited to individual givers. There is also evidence that donations push up income even more at the level of an entire nation’s economy. We can demonstrate this by looking at average household charity and per capita G.D.P. as they change over time. Charity and G.D.P. levels have moved together over the years. Corrected for inflation and population changes, U.S. government data show that G.D.P. per person in America has risen over the past 50 years by about 150 percent. At the same time, donated dollars per person have risen by about 190 percent.

These trends by themselves don’t tell us which force is pushing and which is pulling, however. To figure that out, we need to determine whether past values of one affect future values of the other. By using a method called vector autoregression, economists can see how changes in this year’s G.D.P. are affected by past values of both G.D.P. and charity. If an increase in last year’s charity levels correlates with a jump in this year’s G.D.P., it is logical to conclude that donating is stimulating the economy.

As in the case of individual income, the evidence is that increases in G.D.P. and giving mutually reinforce each other: Economic growth pushes up charitable giving, and charitable giving pushes up economic growth. Data from the Statistical Abstract of the United States and the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University provide examples: In 2004, $100 in extra income per American drove about $1.47 in additional charitable giving per person. At the same time, $100 in giving stimulated more than $1,800 in increased G.D.P. This rate of social return shows that economic-multiplier effects are not limited to private investment. In short, giving plays a positive role in American economic growth. It is a good investment for our country. Some might even go so far as to say that donating to charity is a patriotic act.
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