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Author Topic: Paying interest to lenders - pros and cons  (Read 31827 times)
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« Reply To This #90 on: June 06, 2007, 03:38:53 PM »

Thanks for the post Matt.  I think the most pressing issue for everyone concerned with adding interest rates is that it will put an extra burden on the very people we are trying to help.

How will MFIs cover the costs of paying interests rates to Kiva lenders?  Will the interest rates to loan recipients increase?

I like the option of choosing if you receive interest from your loan or not, but how will MFIs estimate how many people will choose to receive interest so they can cover those additional expenses?  So if no one chooses to receive interest, does the MFI relay that onto the loan recipient so they don't bear added interest on their loan?

The desired effect of adding interest rates is to see an increase of money going to help a much wider base and potentially help more people.  But do you think an influx of money could dilute Kiva's stellar repayment rate and cause more defaults therefore putting more people off of the idea of MFIs?
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« Reply To This #91 on: June 06, 2007, 04:20:52 PM »

Thanks, Matt.  I see Kiva as a player in sustainable development around the world.  To me, that means entrepreneurs, MFIs, Kiva and lenders all have to be seen as partners in this enterprise.  Everyone should pull their own weight and be seen as essential players who also make their own invaluable contributions.  As part of this mix, I believe interest should be offered to lenders.  Whether they accept this interest or immediately turn it back into the loan generating engine should be their choice.  What I'm not interested in seeing is anyone viewing Kiva loans as "handouts," a form of aid rather than a form of sustainable microlending.
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« Reply To This #92 on: June 06, 2007, 04:40:56 PM »

I don't mean to offend anyone--because I know there are differing opinions on this issue--but I happen to think it is a good thing for borrowers to pay at least a nominal amount of interest, so they won't look upon their loans as "free money."  However, I know they already are paying interest, as you said, Matt.  By the same token, I think the MFIs should not look upon our loans as "free money," because they obviously are not, in the sense that we are, at least, giving up interest, ourselves, on our money.  I'm guessing the latter might be one reason some of the MFIs feel an "obligation" to try return some of the savings they are enjoying (I don't necessarily mean this in a pejorative sense) to the Kiva lenders--or maybe not!

The question of paying interest to the lenders as a way of encouraging faster funding of slow-moving loans, though, is "interesting."  I, for one, though, do not know if that would be enough of an incentive to get me to loan to some of the slow-moving loans, because I'm such a "picture freak," and base many of my loans on the pictures!  On the other hand, sometimes I tend to shy away from certain loans, not because the pictures are not "attractive," at least to a certain degree, but because I am fairly certain those loans will be slow to be funded, and thus my money will be "sitting around" forever!

As a corollary, another "incentive" that would tend to nudge me towards contributing to slow-moving loans would be the knowledge that those loans would be disbursed fairly quickly (say, within a week?), once they were fully-funded.  As it stands now, it is oftentimes frustrating to me when I do contribute to a slow-moving loan--or to one that I expect will be slow-moving--that once it is fully-funded, it then takes who-knows-how-long to be disbursed.  I haven't actually "kept tabs" on just which MFIs are the slowest to disburse, but rather, those that are the fastest--which to me, is another incentive to loan.

In the end, I would say, try paying interest (at least in certain circumstances), and see how it works out.  For me, I would say it might work in certain instances, and might not, in others.  Of course, to stray off-topic again, improving the pictures "never hurts," either, in my opinion, so before any of these MFIs start offering interest to the Kiva lenders, maybe some of them should put that money towards better cameras, if not short photography courses for those taking the pictures--which pictures should be transmitted to Kiva in the highest resolution possible, in my opinion.  In other words, having more "interesting" pictures, of "high quality," which show the entrepreneur in their work setting, if not engaged in their work--and which do not all "look alike," from one entrepreneur to the next (if possible), I think, might obviate the problem of slow-to-fund loans at least to some degree.  This loan, for example http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&action=about&id=7959, was fully-funded overnight, if I remember correctly, even though the entrepreneur is from Azerbaijan, and asked for a "large" loan: 
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« Reply To This #93 on: June 06, 2007, 06:37:40 PM »

I should add that it is easy for me to say that I think borrowers should pay at least a nominal amount of interest, since I am not "in need"--though I may be if I keep making too many Kiva loans.  Cheesy  In any case, I am always open to exceptions! Smiley
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« Reply To This #94 on: June 07, 2007, 01:09:18 AM »

I read that Azerbaijan has a board of people waiting for loans, and already their loans are slow to fund.  Kiva has cut the wait period significantly, but there is still a huge number of waiting to be funded folks.  I would think that the partner would know if the good of their clients would be better served by a 2-4% interest rate increase or waiting longer for their loans to fund.  There may be other organizations which would be inclined to do this as well.

I think this is a market solution that would allow everyone to find their comfort zone.  A partner could pay interest or not, depending on their clientele.  A potential Kiva loaner could be charitable or get interest.  If one liked the borrower and didn't want interest, there could be an option to foresake it and let Kiva have it.  (Say one didn't want to have more taxable income) 

I think the only reason I would want interest is because I am budgeting a certain amount for Kiva, and if some loans partially pay...interest will allow me to replenish that and make a full loan.  Interest isn't an issue either way in my decision at this point.

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« Reply To This #95 on: June 07, 2007, 06:43:40 AM »

Couple of observations--

- Since no sane MFI would fund their money from a single source, Kiva only provides part of the loans of any MFI portfolio. Therefore, the MFI can normally not differentiate between Kiva funded loans and non-Kiva funded loans, and the interest charged to the borrower will not be cheaper for a Kiva loan.
- The money that is saved by getting no-interest loans from Kiva is normally to the benefit of the MFI. This is then used for several things: stabilize the MFI's financial structure, initiate borrower education programs (business courses), etc.
- Also, the MFI derives revenue because they are able to deposit the repayments in their own interest baring accounts until the loan is paid back in full. This may seem peanuts at first sight, but think about how many percent of $7.2M is actually already partially repaid by borrowers...

Of course, one can say that this extra revenue and savings that a MFI generates will help to reduce the interest of their overall loan portfolio, but since the overall effect of providing a small interest to lenders that make up only part of the MFI's portfolio, I'd like to think that this should be doable without repercussions for the micro-entrepreneur.

@Collette:

Although I agree that Azerbaijan loans are slower to fund than other loans, they all are funded in a few days. Since these loans tend to be larger than some of the other loans out there, it may be fairer to compare them to fulfillment times for similarly sized loans. I don't think there are any statistics about that...

I also think that the reason Kiva is pacing these loans has less to do with the quantity of Azerbaijan loans or total lenders available for them, but more to do with the fact that there aren't enough other loans available. If they'd put all Azerbaijan loans on at once, the entire site would look like it's Azerbaijan-only. With the current number of lenders available, I'd say Kiva would want to keep the number of loans that is collecting funds somewhere in the 100-300 range at any moment. Right now it's at 86...

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« Reply To This #96 on: June 07, 2007, 07:26:24 AM »

Ramon,

Some loans from Azerbaijan (and others, on occasion) take more than 3 weeks--maybe even over a month (I haven't kept exact track)--to be funded by Kiva (or at least that's what has happened in the past).   That's highly significant, I think, where "time means money"--and what "gums up the works" (I believe)!

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« Reply To This #97 on: June 07, 2007, 01:01:38 PM »

Kay,

Wow.  Three weeks would be a very long time for loans to fund.  The thing about Azerbaijan is there are always lots of loans, and the average time to fund IS much longer than most other countries.  If some people were interested in interest availability, then they would gravitate toward say Azerbaijan.  This would move loans faster.  I believe that they do pace Azerbaijan so that it there is a good variety.  By changing the turnover rate of loans funded for Azerbaijan, the number of loans for them could increase without altering the ratio of Azerbaijan to other countries.

Azerbaijan has quite a few loans AND they tend to be for higher dollar amounts.  So it does take longer to fund.  People prefer smaller loans.  If a loan takes a long time to fund, some investors may look elsewhere the next time, too.

Personally, I think Azerbaijan would benefit by giving a story about how difficult things are.  It is easy to compare a well stocked Azerbaijan store to a store in Cambodia or Mexico and conclude that there isn't a need.  What information does the average person need to understand what life is like there?  What hardships are there?  What challenges does the business person face?  Why are they internally displaced?  What did they lose when displaced?

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« Reply To This #98 on: June 07, 2007, 01:38:19 PM »

Collette,

I completely agree with you--and, if interest "works," it should help increase the turnover of loans from Azerbaijan.   (In addtion, I think many people prefer not only smaller loans, but loans of shorter duration--the latter which may not necessarily be advantageous to the borrower.) 

I also think that we, as a group, need more info on the hardships faced by the people (especially the displaced people) of Azerbaijan, to better understand their "story."  I have done a little "research" myself (whatever I could find online), but it would be great if the field partners from Azerbaijan could "flesh out" the story, in general (not to mention the individual stories) more extensively, as another incentive to loan.  Obviously, though (at least I would think), the borrowers from Azerbaijan do not have easy access to credit (at least not at "reasonable" interest rates), or their loans wouldn't be posted on Kiva.

In any case, if anyone is interested, here are a few of the links that I found (search term:  IDP Azerbaijan):
http://www.internal-displacement.org/8025708F004CE90B/(httpCountries)/2E505E95ABC577FA802570A7004C6378?OpenDocument
http://www.zerbaijan.com/var/refugees.htm
http://www.un-instraw.org/revista/hypermail/alltickers/fr/0078.html
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/AMMF-6YZE4N?OpenDocument

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« Reply To This #99 on: June 07, 2007, 02:56:33 PM »

I rallied a little while back for an Azeri produce vendor (it was exciting that so many people responded!) and so his loan got filled in a few days, but since then it's just been sitting in my Raised but not Started column.

I have three or four loans to Azerbaijan, and while they usually take longer to fund, they get disbursed only once a month, so it hardly matters whether it gets funded in a day or in three weeks. The vendor isn't going to get the money any faster.
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