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« on: June 10, 2008, 12:46:22 PM » |
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I'm am totally amazed, and confused by something that I notice when reading the Fellow's blogs. They almost all describe the friendliness, compassion, helpfulness, and generosity of the locals in the countries they are working. I am amazed that in countries that have little, people are so friendly, yet in countries like ours (Canada, US, etc)... strangers are often hostile and rarely smile at each other. How often do we see the 'speak English or get out' attitude from people? Heck... in my own apartment building, when I say 'hi' to neighbours as we pass each other going in and out of the door, only about 50% will utter 'hi' back. Half just ignore me despite the fact that I'm only one foot away from them. There certainly is not a general feeling of community or friendliness to strangers - especially those who don't speak the language, and stick out like proverbial sore thumbs.
I realize there are exceptions to every rule. But I cannot imagine an Ugandan coming to North America, unable to speak the language, and being able to return home and tell his friends about the warmth of the people he or she encountered. I've seen exactly the opposite many times.
What exactly do we all have to be so grumpy about? We have so many blessings, but are we really so much unhappier than our counterparts in less developed countries? Does economic prosperity make people selfish, introverted, and less tolerant? I really don't get it.
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« Reply To This #1 on: June 10, 2008, 12:52:30 PM » |
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Move, my neighbors aren't that way. 
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waywardcats
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« Reply To This #2 on: June 10, 2008, 12:59:01 PM » |
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What exactly do we all have to be so grumpy about? We have so many blessings, but are we really so much unhappier than our counterparts in less developed countries? Does economic prosperity make people selfish, introverted, and less tolerant? I really don't get it.
Hi Sherri, I think it is not that we are grumpy, but that we are afraid of each other. We are constantly hearing about bad things happening that we suspect everyone around us. We live in a culture of fear that we will be pickpocketed, or have our children snatched, our identities taken. I guess the more you have the more you want to protect it? I don't think it's right, but that is the culture that we seem to have created in the US. The question is how do we get back to trusting people we meet that we don't know yet? -Kerry-
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"Our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity - men and women - to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. That is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams." - President Barack Obama, June 4, 2009
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Sherri
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« Reply To This #3 on: June 10, 2008, 01:20:07 PM » |
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Hi Sherri,
I think it is not that we are grumpy, but that we are afraid of each other. We are constantly hearing about bad things happening that we suspect everyone around us. We live in a culture of fear that we will be pickpocketed, or have our children snatched, our identities taken. I guess the more you have the more you want to protect it? I don't think it's right, but that is the culture that we seem to have created in the US. The question is how do we get back to trusting people we meet that we don't know yet?
-Kerry-
Maybe it's a little of fear. I also suspect it's a lot of the fact that people just don't care, or are so wrapped up in their own issues. Like everyone's sphere of awareness is so tiny...
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KivanSteven
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« Reply To This #4 on: June 10, 2008, 03:54:21 PM » |
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As someone who works out amongst the public day in and day out, coming into visual contact with at least 500 people per day, I can say from my point of view that people are just plain ignorant and lack common courtesy, are oblivious to their surroundings, or a combination of all three. My biggest pet peave is when I hold the door open for someone and they either consider themselves too good for you to offer a "thanks" or, more often the case, they simply lack the most minor of social and interaction skills. If you cant express your small appreciation for someone holding a door open for you, then really what can you offer beyond that to someone? Maybe its me, but I was always shown, simply by parental example, to always make use of manners. Its common courtesy, common decency.
I cant speak for other countries, but Ive become rather skeptical of how "friendly" Americans are always said to be considered by citizens of other countries. I really dont see it much at all anymore and I increasingly am finding myself isolating myself from people more often than ever on account of their complete ignorance and disrespect towards others. I think socially, in the US, we are heading in completely the wrong direction. No room in our worlds for anyone but ourselves, and of course if there are others in that world, we are always at "number 1." Or maybe my public job makes me more sensitive to it all.
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
My only solace is that I find a peaceful place where I might be resigned to my depriving loneliness.
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« Reply To This #5 on: June 10, 2008, 04:23:52 PM » |
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My biggest pet peave is when I hold the door open for someone and they either consider themselves too good for you to offer a "thanks" or, more often the case, they simply lack the most minor of social and interaction skills. If you cant express your small appreciation for someone holding a door open for you, then really what can you offer beyond that to someone? Maybe its me, but I was always shown, simply by parental example, to always make use of manners. Its common courtesy, common decency. Steve, please keep opening those doors. I can't imagine dealing with the public all day, but I do think it is the small kindnesses that can make a difference and to those who do notice, you've made a difference. Sometimes, that kind of act can change a person's mood. I agree that we have an epidemic of grumpiness, but when I see all the goodness on Kiva, I have to think there's hope, even for us grumpy Americans. Lynn
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"I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I am 'Somebody.'"--Unknown "Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness ... the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire." --Pierre Teilhard De Chardin
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waywardcats
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« Reply To This #6 on: June 10, 2008, 04:34:09 PM » |
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My biggest pet peeve is when I hold the door open for someone and they either consider themselves too good for you to offer a "thanks" or, more often the case, they simply lack the most minor of social and interaction skills. If you cant express your small appreciation for someone holding a door open for you, then really what can you offer beyond that to someone? Maybe its me, but I was always shown, simply by parental example, to always make use of manners. Its common courtesy, common decency.
I always say thank you on the rare occasions when a stranger opens a door for me. I hope you keep it up too. When I spent most of my time on a University campus a couple of years ago I am sad to say it was more common for the door to be slammed in my face than to have it held open for me. Makes me feel old and crotchety, but I have to think "what are those parents teaching these kids?" I do have to say that over the past few months I have had a surprising number of people offer to let me skip in front of them in a grocery line. I only do it if I am in a hurry, but I always let them know that I appreciate the offer very much. That hadn't happened to me in years, and suddenly it has happened about four times this year already. -Kerry-
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"Our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity - men and women - to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. That is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams." - President Barack Obama, June 4, 2009
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« Reply To This #7 on: June 10, 2008, 05:07:37 PM » |
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I think we are just overly busy and distracted at times. I have lived in the same place for five years. When I arrived, people would wave you through the parking lot. Many homes were built, and now the same streets I am cut off, watching for erratic driving. It is now just like the Bay Area. Too many rats in the same cage causes aggression, and I think people react to it to.
I hate celphone over use. I mean when someone is talking on a phone in a public bathroom!!!! Come on.
Colette
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Jan & John
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« Reply To This #8 on: June 10, 2008, 05:29:06 PM » |
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Calgarians were always proud of the friendly cowtown image -  tip your hat and howdy ma-am. In recent years that has changed - the economy here boomed and people just became to busy to be friendly - too crowded to leave space for someone else - too much in a hurry to hold open a door for another - sad but oh so true. However - my mom always said two wrongs don't make a right... so those of us who can will and should continue... to smile (especially at strangers)... converse even while in a long grocery line... put other people first (and set your own agenda aside for a moment) Someone will notice and pay it forward down the road - don't give up now! jan
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KivanSteven
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« Reply To This #9 on: June 10, 2008, 05:49:30 PM » |
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Maybe it all has to do with the more simple way of life. Also, around the world, especially in Asia and Africa, there is a more communal tone to one's livelihood, success, and well being. In Western culture everything is almost entirely individualistic as far as success and society is concerned--how it is structured. Of course there are positives and negatives to both brands of society, but I think the rude disregard of one another is definitely a side effect of an individualistic society. We are ready to use or turn our back on someone to get ahead as oppossed to befriending one and working with them in order that we might both get ahead. A mentality perhaps...Also I think there is something to be said for the kind and loving poor, who obtain some spiritual quality and mental rejuvenation when they can disregard their own difficulties to extend a hand, a gesture, or a word of kindness to a stranger.
Ill tell you there are times my kindness is severly tested, maybe because I try to be so overly kind that I wrongfully expect or even feel I deserve even a second of thankful acknowledgment from a stranger whom I went out of my way to respect and acknowledge either verbally or by action, but I know the person I end up being rude and ignorant towards will always turn out to be the person that would have held the door for me, thanked me, smiled at me, or respected me in some manner, and if so I would only be spreading the ignorance...so its always worth sucking it up and maintaining the kindness and integrity you try to live by in order that you influence people positively as opposed to negatively.
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
My only solace is that I find a peaceful place where I might be resigned to my depriving loneliness.
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