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« on: August 12, 2008, 12:07:01 AM » |
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we do not hear much from Kiva either...
I think you're going to be right, after all, Dagfinn. I'm thinking the Kiva staffers are not going to keep up with this site now with the drift and changes. Perhaps they will target certain areas of it, I hope. I'll be the first to be happy to be wrong. And I'll keep an eye out. -Scott |
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« Reply To This #1 on: August 12, 2008, 01:40:15 PM » |
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I think you're going to be right, after all, Dagfinn. I'm thinking the Kiva staffers are not going to keep up with this site now with the drift and changes. Perhaps they will target certain areas of it, I hope. I'll be the first to be happy to be wrong. And I'll keep an eye out.
-Scott
Of course for them to keep up with certain areas, we need to be diligent about what sections we add new threads to. The moderators are probably experiencing fatigue about now. This thread in fact probably will have little to to with loans and probably should be moved too. Dan |
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« Reply To This #2 on: August 12, 2008, 01:42:39 PM » |
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I was hoping that if I could work out a KivaFriends Liaison role with Liz that we'd have a more direct link of some sort to the Kiva staff. But I'm still waiting to hear from her, she got busy and wasn't able to schedule a call.
Do you think having such a liaison might be helpful in alleviating this concern? If so, I'll drop her another email today and see if we can schedule something.
--DIane.
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« Reply To This #3 on: August 12, 2008, 01:54:34 PM » |
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This thread in fact probably will have little to to with loans and probably should be moved too.
I felt my thead was about Kiva's participation. So I looked for the appropriate category. The sub categories were: Kiva Listings & Loan Recipients - Nope! Kiva Countries - Nope! Mark Agwonah - Nope! KivaTube - Nope! So I looked at the description for the base board category which is: "Discussions about the Kiva organization, businesses, field partners, loans, lenders, general operations, help, support, opinions and your participation." My opinion was about the Kiva organization and its participation as part of its general operations with regards to help and support here... I thought I hit it right on so I put it here, but if it needs to be moved, by all means, feel free. -Scott |
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« Reply To This #4 on: August 12, 2008, 02:02:37 PM » |
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This thread in fact probably will have little to to with loans and probably should be moved too.
That sounds like Kiva Listings & Loan Recipients. |
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« Reply To This #5 on: August 12, 2008, 05:05:20 PM » |
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I felt my thead was about Kiva's participation. So I looked for the appropriate category.
I thought I hit it right on so I put it here, but if it needs to be moved, by all means, feel free.
-Scott
My apologies, Scott. Looking at the other choices I would have to agree with you.  Dan |
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« Reply To This #6 on: August 12, 2008, 05:07:13 PM » |
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Are there post missing from this thread? it doesn't make much sense to me.  |
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« Reply To This #7 on: August 12, 2008, 05:21:17 PM » |
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Are there post missing from this thread? it doesn't make much sense to me. To summarize, Henry, Scott was responding to Dagfinn's post on another thread that perhaps Kiva staff wasn't very responsive to the Kiva Friends posts. Scott further opined that perhaps with the large amount of posts here that really have nothing much to do with Kiva that Kiva staff would not have the time to wade through to keep up with areas that really do affect them. I then suggested that we really have no hope of Kiva Staff reading threads here unless we are all diligent in keeping threads directly affecting Kiva on subject. I then muddied the waters by suggesting that this thread might be in the wrong section as well. I was corrected in that erroneous thought. Diane in the middle of all that went back to the basic idea of how to get the connection with Kiva staff to work better (as you, Henry, have spent some time doing also over the course of time). Dan |
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« Reply To This #8 on: August 12, 2008, 05:38:37 PM » |
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Are there post missing from this thread? it doesn't make much sense to me. I like to think I've become diligent about where I post so as to keep things organized. My posting links back to Dagfinn's original post in the "Re: Help! One of my favorite loans is getting ready to expire!" thread, but I was taking his comment and, really, focusing on what I felt was a new topic, so I started a new one in what I thought was the most appropriate place for it while including a link back to the original thread. If you're indicating that the content of the whole new thread doesn't make any sense at all as something to discuss, I would simply have to respect your opinion about that, which I do. -Scott |
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« Reply To This #9 on: August 12, 2008, 05:46:07 PM » |
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I apparently missed the thread this was linked??? to/from. And I still don't spot the link. Try reading this thread from Post # 1 if you didn't know where it came from. The very first post has no links - it's just this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Dagfinn on August 06, 2008, 04:15:40 PM
we do not hear much from Kiva either...
I think you're going to be right, after all, Dagfinn. I'm thinking the Kiva staffers are not going to keep up with this site now with the drift and changes. Perhaps they will target certain areas of it, I hope. I'll be the first to be happy to be wrong. And I'll keep an eye out.
-Scott Thanks Dan, You summed it up very well! |
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« Reply To This #10 on: August 12, 2008, 05:57:43 PM » |
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I apparently missed the thread this was linked??? to/from. And I still don't spot the link. Try reading this thread from Post # 1 if you didn't know where it came from.
The very first post has no links - it's just this:
Thanks Dan, You summed it up very well!
Henry!! In any message in any post where you quote someone, you can always click on the green quote and it links back to the original message you were quoting for handy reference. -Scott |
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« Reply To This #11 on: August 12, 2008, 05:58:45 PM » |
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Thanks Scott - I did not know that!  Feeling pretty 'newbie' at the moment! ok - did anyone else know that? Learn something new everyday! |
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« Reply To This #12 on: August 12, 2008, 06:19:43 PM » |
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Holy crapoli...I didnt know that either!!!...add me to the newbie list...anyone else want to join Henry and I...there's plenty of room.  |
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
My only solace is that I find a peaceful place where I might be resigned to my depriving loneliness.
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« Reply To This #13 on: August 12, 2008, 06:44:55 PM » |
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d'oh (teehee Steve and Henry you guys always know everything... so I feel pretty proud that I did know that about the link  however - Scott's quoting of Dagfinn's comment did make me think about just how much we expect from Kiva staff... after all, we are really - hee - an insignificant number compared to the total number of Kiva lenders ... ...and we do manage to go on and on and on... so why would Kiva staff read it all? I've only been on KF for 5 months and have seen the threads explode so it's hard for me to keep up. I have no idea how it is for a moderator. I have only had to use the contactus email twice and both times Kiva replied fairly soon so they do want to answer the lender questions. Do you think having such a liaison might be helpful in alleviating this concern? If so, I'll drop her another email today and see if we can schedule something.
--DIane.
Diane - this sounds like a good idea - if we could somehow streamline what KF 'thinks' Kiva needs to deal with - maybe they would also respond. I used to think that was the Suggestion Box but now I don't know. Once in a while a staffer has posted but they seem to have stopped. Gee, maybe they are even on vacation (or in some home recovering from overwork and burn-out) jan |
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« Reply To This #14 on: August 12, 2008, 07:06:14 PM » |
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Their posts seem pretty consistent to me in number at least...I know they went out of their way in the past to make us well aware that they do follow the threads pretty diligently for a busy group of people trying to change the world, but I dont ever remember them posting too often in the 12 months Ive been here. Do we have reason to believe they don't read up anymore if in fact their posts haven't waned any? Anyhow, if the other ideas fall through, what about a thread on KF that can be added to by a moderator which can list links to threads or posts pertinent to the folks at Kiva? It wouldnt be open to forum posts, similar to the "Announcements" thread that only allows Kiva.org staff to post news for Kiva Friends. This would better enable Kiva folks to immediately find what they need to see rather than having to turn over a few coins in a thousand acre field. http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/board,36.0.htmlIm sure the moderators are busy enough so if they do like the idea but dont have the extra time to head this up, then disregard the thought. If moderators cant do this, I would scrap the idea. Leaving the thread open to anyone would eventually lead to far too much generalized or unnecessary information I think, rendering it obsolete. |
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
My only solace is that I find a peaceful place where I might be resigned to my depriving loneliness.
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« Reply To This #15 on: August 12, 2008, 07:47:36 PM » |
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My impression is that Kiva staffers really don't have all that much trouble finding topics that interest them.
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« Reply To This #16 on: August 12, 2008, 08:11:26 PM » |
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Their posts seem pretty consistent to me in number at least...Do we have reason to believe they don't read up anymore if in fact their posts haven't waned any?
I agree with you, Steve, and that was the gist of my reponse to Dagfinn when he brought up that it didn't seem like Kiva was participating here on KivaFriends anymore. I have absolutely no reason to believe their posts have waned. It was pure future speculation on my part. I also thought I noticed Jan's explosion of threads (not really posts) here in July, but after Richard's post: My impression is that Kiva staffers really don't have all that much trouble finding topics that interest them.
I thought some more about it and I think I realize that obviously, Kiva wouldn't read the site the same way I do, using things like the Recent Posts shortcut, but rather would target just relevant threads, so I remain optimistic about their continued participation. -Scott |
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« Reply To This #17 on: August 12, 2008, 08:16:05 PM » |
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But with as often as the threads change and move and get pushed up and down, in addition to all the new threads that constantly pop up, usually over 100 per month, they obviously have to read the new ones to determine if there is an interest for them or if something was said that requires their attention or interest.
It might not save them a lot of time, but I think they would like the convenience of it. And then with the feature Scott just pointed out to some of us "newbies" they could immediately locate the quoted material in the actual thread and reply to it directly should they want to correspond. But you might still be right Richard--just my hunch that they dont see everything and do miss some important material. A lot of us do, so how can we expect them not to as well?
Edit: I do see where you guys are coming from now due to Scott's last post...I still think they can easily miss things they need to know and hear about, but that which they do or want to follow they can easily bookmark into a favorites folder for example for quick and immediate access. In fact now that I think of it, I think Henry already started an "earth to Kiva" type of thread where everyone could post some brief ideas or thoughts for the Kiva folks. Do they still use that Henry?
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
My only solace is that I find a peaceful place where I might be resigned to my depriving loneliness.
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« Reply To This #18 on: August 12, 2008, 08:35:21 PM » |
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If someone wants to suggest to Kiva staffers they pay attention to something important, I suggest they post it in the Suggestion Box. |
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« Reply To This #19 on: August 12, 2008, 08:43:45 PM » |
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Actually when it comes to suggestions you're right--that is the best place for them as far as I know...as for more detailed discussions and topics youll just have to hope they cross paths with them.
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I find not direction in the readings of those with whom my eccentricities are similar, but rather validation.
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« Reply To This #20 on: August 12, 2008, 09:04:28 PM » |
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If it's a detailed discussion on a substantive topic that interests them, I trust them to find it and respond as they see fit.
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