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El Toro
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« on: September 22, 2008, 01:09:03 AM »

To go along with my last topic on mine and Sierra's Fundraiser in DC on Tuesday, September 30th an event any and all are welcome to attend, I had an idea I wanted to get feedback on from this group.

Kiva Fellows are unpaid volunteers for Kiva that spend 3 or more months visiting Field Partners for Kiva to provide journal updates on borrowers and work with the Field Partners to maximize their relationship with Kiva.  To do so, we (I'm a member of the 6th class of Kiva Fellows and going to Peru and Bolivia) often quit our jobs or take an extended leave of absence and rely on our own savings, family, and friends to help us defray the costs of travel and housing overseas.  For me that meant making a decision on the length of my fellowship based on how much I had in my savings account and I'm sure many others of us dealt with the same situation.  Thus, though we may be able to cover our costs initially, it's less than ideal (for instance, I'd love to do this for six months or more but would be completely broke by mid-February or so).

So what's my great idea?  If people wanted to show their support both for Kiva and for a particular Kiva Fellow, they could give Kiva gift certificates to that fellow.  The Kiva Fellow would then loan the money on Kiva's website (letting the supporter know who s/he is loaning to), and while the loan is being repaid monthly be able to withdraw the partial repayments into his/her bank account.  Thus, the initial supporter would not only be adding another Kiva borrower to their loan portfolio, they would also be helping support a Kiva Fellow in the field.  If we wanted to, we could start a "Supporting Kiva and Supporting Kiva Fellow _______ ) lending team and have all loans made through these gift certificates be credited to that team.  Anyone who lent to the borrowers and gave to the Kiva Fellows would be a member.

I think this makes sense for several reasons.  First, as mentioned earlier many of us already have some of our own money that we put up front to buy plane tickets, etc (It'd be a little foolhardy to accept an assignment you can't pay for...though some may say leaving your job to live in a hut in Southern Sudan for six months is foolhardy too Wink ).  So anyone who supports us is really helping us offset that initial cost or maybe extending the length of time we can be in the field collecting stories from borrowers and supporting Kiva and its Field Partners.  The new Partial Repayments feature and the associated increase in liquidity means that it's conceivable the cumulative monthly repayments could cover a Kiva Fellow's "operating costs" like housing and food.  For example, if I raise $1000 and lend it out to businesses with 6 month loan terms, my supporter would not only help pay my $167 a month rent in Bolivia (bc I'd be withdrawing the accumulated repayments as they come in from borrowers) but also help up to 40 more businesses on Kiva's website.

Please post replies with your thoughts on the manner. 


   If you think it's great, post.  and email me at joshtoro@gmail.com  if you want me to be the guinea-pig for this idea  Cheesy (although where I'm going, people eat guinea pigs... Shocked )
   If you think it's good in theory but spot some potential flaws, post.
   If you think it undermines Kiva in some way, post.
   If you think it could potentially transform the way Kiva Fellows pay for their fellowship, post.
   If you just don't like the idea, post.
   If there's a theme to this 'call-and-answer' postscript, it's... post.  It'd be great to see this be a hot topic because I think it's one worth generating a big discussion.

Thanks a lot,

Josh 'El Toro' B
Kiva Fellow, 6th Class,   Peru- EDAPROSPO  Bolivia- Emprender

An aside
To me, it's a little weird asking for donations to help cover the costs of my Kiva fellowship when one of the core motivations of Kiva is to move international development funders from Donors to Partners.  However, with this proposed dynamic, the several thousand of dollars that I'll be spending upfront to fund my Kiva fellowship without any outside participation will be spread around across many people to make it more bearable, transformed into supporting several hundred (!) new businesses in the process, potentially bring in many new people in contact with Kiva.org, and if successful could throw open the doors to letting many, many more fiscally constrained Kiva Fellows go out into the field longer and further deepen and expand the reach of Kiva worldwide.  One of my favorite things about Kiva is that it allows people to transform ANY size amount of capital from IDLE into USEFUL.  With this potential dynamic, all of the capital is MOVING and USEFUL.  As my Kiva lender page implies, I think capital ought to continuously be ENABLING people when they need it.  This does that... to a far greater extent than the current status quo
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« Reply To This #1 on: September 22, 2008, 01:22:42 AM »

Two notes on the issue of Recognition:


  1. Since the recipient Kiva Fellow's account would be disseminating the loans, the loans would appear to be coming from him rather than the person who gave the Kiva Fellow the money.  If that person wanted recognition as the true lender, the Fellow could update the lending team page to reflect that.  Also, if the team was closed and accessible only by invitation from the team captain, then the Kiva Fellow/team captain could invite only those people who gave him/her the initial gift certificate.  In this way, the team would consist only of people whose contributions to the Kiva Fellow also funded the loans administered by the team.

  2.  If the team is closed to only those people who supported the Kiva Fellow, then these super-Kiva supporters (helping borrowers, MFIs, Kiva Fellows, and probably Kiva.org with an initial donation) could look at these new lending teams as a way to collect Kiva Fellows for their portfolio.  Thus they would not only have a portfolio consisting of the many businesses they loaned to but also a portfolio of Kiva Fellows they've supported via these closed dual-purpose lending teams I propose creating.


What do you think?

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« Reply To This #2 on: September 22, 2008, 02:06:44 AM »

What do you think?

I think that's a pretty darn creative use of the teams implementation! I've dropped you an email so I can be one of your gp!

-Scott

p.s.  Welcome to KF.
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« Reply To This #3 on: September 22, 2008, 02:10:32 AM »

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Quote from: El Toro on Yesterday at 11:22:42 PM
What do you think?
My first question would be:
What did the folks at Kiva think when you told them of this idea? Undecided

Susan
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« Reply To This #4 on: September 22, 2008, 03:56:21 AM »

Susan,

I must admit I just had the idea and posted it without consultation.  I'm pretty confident they'll be all for it  (I'd heard "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission" at one point) but per your post, I wrote JD (Kiva Fellows Program Manager) just to make sure this idea is kosher.  I'll post his response when I get it, hopefully tomorrow.

Sincerely,
Josh Bull
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« Reply To This #5 on: September 22, 2008, 04:10:36 AM »

Scott-

If you want to wait until I get an official response from Kiva like Susan asked, feel free to wait until I hear back and they or I post to this thread.  If you want to go ahead and Kiva eventually red flags it (which I can't imagine they would) I could 'gift certificate' the amount you gave to me back to you.  In any case, I'm excited to have you as excited as me about this idea!

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Cheers,

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« Reply To This #6 on: September 22, 2008, 04:40:13 AM »

Scott-

If you want to wait until I get an official response from Kiva...

Actually, no, I don't need Kiva's permission or okay or anything like that for this.  Smiley  As far as I'm concerned, this is very similar to when I made an outright donation to Kiva Fellow Julie Ross through her Kiva Fellows blog page on which there was a PayPal donate button (http://kivafellowjulie.wordpress.com/donate/). In fact, I really like your creativity very much and am going to support it!  Thumbs Up Like I asked Julie though, please post here at KF about your experiences so we can reap the benefits and live vicariously through you!

-Scott
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« Reply To This #7 on: September 22, 2008, 05:55:09 AM »

Josh, I like your spirit and ingenuity. 
Observation:  Kiva Fellows are mostly young people with/without degrees.  Perhaps the Kiva Fellows could partner with older wanna be Kiva Fellows who have the $$ & experience to go but will not get picked because of their age or lack of degrees.  Just a thought.

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« Reply To This #8 on: September 22, 2008, 07:08:44 AM »

FYI....J El Toro B sent this pm to me yesterday re raising funds....

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Good Dogg,

Since Sierra and I have never done anything like this before, we are not sure what 'target' we should expect to be able to raise.  My initial thought was setting a target to meet just our cost of airfare.  If that was the case, my part would be around $1200.  Sierra's first destination is Honduras and her second destination is unknown.  I imagine hers will be a similar amount though. 

For tax-deductible funding, each of us can receive up to $599 total via Kiva. 

If you want to do this, email Sierra or I and we will need to send you a Pledge Form (just a simple one-page document with your name and address) and you can write a check to Kiva with one of our names in the memo (ie Kiva Fellow Josh Bull).  Kiva will hold this money until ten weeks have passed then release it to us.  With that option, the only thing we'd have to make sure is how much of $599 is left (ie if you give 50 dollars but someone else has already given 580, then I'd be over the limit). 

Finally, if you wanted to help Kiva while helping us I had an idea of fundraising via Kiva gift certificates.  If you or anyone else helped fund us through Kiva gift certificates, we could redeem them and fund a business in our region (we'd also let you know which business we lent to).  As the loan gets repaid, we could withdraw it and use it to cover our monthly expenses (just one more reason to love the extra liquidity from the Partial Repayment addition).  That way more businesses will be funded AND our fellowships will be funded.  We could even make lending teams like "Supporting Kiva and Supporting Kiva Fellow ______" that all the gift certificate loans would be made from.  That's just an idea that I have.  Of course, that money wouldn't be tax-deductible.

Hope that answers your questions and thanks for your interest!

Let me know if there's anything else I can do.

Josh 'El Toro' Bull
joshtoro@gmail.com

ps If you think other people would want to know this info, feel free to copy and paste this as a comment on my post or let me know and I could do it (especially regarding that last idea if you think it's a good one)

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« Reply To This #9 on: September 22, 2008, 11:55:26 AM »

Susan,

I must admit I just had the idea and posted it without consultation.  I'm pretty confident they'll be all for it  (I'd heard "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission" at one point) but per your post, I wrote JD (Kiva Fellows Program Manager) just to make sure this idea is kosher.  I'll post his response when I get it, hopefully tomorrow.

Sincerely,
Josh Bull
It's not that I don't think it's a good idea. I think it is an great idea to get donations for your "fellowship" and help the entrepreneurs at the same time. The difference being that rather than just soliciting donations thru a "paypal donation" button we would be using Kiva's system to do it and i think it is prudent to make sure it is okay with them first.
I don't see why they would have an objection, I just like everything to be transparent, you know.  Smiley

I totally get that this is a huge hardship financially for all the "fellows" and appreciate your ingenuity. 
I agree with Scott, though, that in return for KF support you need to promise to post lots of updates, stories and pictures. You know, we love pictures! Wink




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