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« Reply To This #20 on: July 13, 2008, 08:59:04 AM »

I have 140 total loans ("All"), 121 "Active" loans, and no "Defaulted" loans. Checking the MIFEX loans, I find seven that are not current, of which two are more than a month overdue. The reported reported 1.43% delinquency rate equals 2/140. Since all my loans are for the same amount, I can't determine whether Kiva calculates this number as 2/140 or (2*$25)/(140*$25). The explanation for delinquency rate indicates that the calculation should involve the outstanding balance and active loans, but my attempts to do so did not agree with the reported 1.43% rate.

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« Reply To This #21 on: July 13, 2008, 09:19:56 AM »

prompted by that, I went searching for MIFEX defaults, and see that there were 28 declared, all yesterday I assume. I can't at this stage see any information on the individual loan pages about the reason for the defaults. They all seem to be pretty old agricultural ones:
http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&partner_id=7&status=Defaulted&sortBy=New+to+Old
Let's hope there's better news "soon" about the other active MIFEX loans...
Peter

I'm moderately hopeful too (my nonagricultural MIFEX loan is still active). For those just joining the conversation, the original explanation for MIFEX difficulties talked first about agricultural issues and then about cash liquidity problems. So it looks like they may be treating the different categories separately.

Sorry for those of you with agricultural loans  Cry


My still-active MIFEX loan:
http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&action=about&id=23620&_tpos=2&_tpg=2

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« Reply To This #22 on: July 15, 2008, 10:33:01 AM »

Sorry for those of you with agricultural loans  Cry

This is upsetting, because agricultural loans are one of my very favorite categories.  Also, the way things are being handled with the MIFEX loans is a good reminder that we're not REALLY lending money directly to the borrowers - we're lending money to the MFIs.

I currently have eight active MIFEX loans, all in various stages of repayment.  (Some almost completely paid, a few of them were just beginning).  As far as whether or not these loans will be defaulted by Kiva/MIFEX, is this actually being determined based on the repayment history of the entrepreneur, or are the loans being lumped into categories and entire categories (e.g., agriculture) are defaulted?

If the loans are being defaulted by category, then that would mean that it doesn't make a bit of difference which entrepreneurs that I lend to - only to which MFIs.  This bugs me in several different ways.

It's been more than two months since MIFEX was (temporarily?) downgraded by Kiva from 3-stars to 1-star.  It would be nice to have some sort of update from Kiva on the MIFEX situation.
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« Reply To This #23 on: July 15, 2008, 11:36:06 AM »

Also, the way things are being handled with the MIFEX loans is a good reminder that we're not REALLY lending money directly to the borrowers - we're lending money to the MFIs.

As I understand it from what I've been reading over the past few months:

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There are some MFIs who were found to have financial irregularities or insufficient book-keeping, so KIVA terminated the relationship and divided the remaining funds among all the KIVA lenders. As I understand from what I've read, this was only in situations where there was no choice. I don't see any cases where KIVA just walked in, swept up the funds and distributed them evenly among all lenders.

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To me MIFEX proves the point that KIVA's philosophy is to treat loans individually where possible. The MIFEX note about the agriculture problems (on MFI page) appeared first (if my memory serves me right). Since all the MIFEX loans are in a very small part of one small country, it seems quite plausible to me that all MIFEX agricultural loans could go under at once. It's certainly like that in my region of Quebec  (e.g. corn crop due to hail, maple syrup due to wrong temperatures). So those loans defaulted.  The nonagriculture loans are not only in a separate category but they have been paid up to different dates in time. To me this is a clear indication that KIVA/MIFEX have been -at least to a certain point in time - treating the loans individually. Nevertheless, if there are insuficient funds/faulty bookkeeping, then KIVA would have the Solomonaic decision of how to divide the remaining funds.

After reading the description of the 5 month process to resolve the AE&I case (where KIVA lenders got their money back), I realized that KIVAorg needs this time to work behind the scenes in privacy - not only to protect the interests of KIVA lenders and local borrowers  - but also to avoid unnecessarily damaging MFIs that might be innocently caught up in a mess!  

You are right that the funds are passing through MFI hands. This system with a middleman seems the only way to go. the only other thing we could do is have a site where borrowers posted requests and we sent them money directly via Western Union  Taunt

On a connected subject, I've been worrying alot about the toll these situations must be taking on morale in KIVAorg's staff. They are having to clear up these messes, while being under pressure to find still more MFIs in still more countries to offer us.  Also, the KIVAorg staffers, Fellows and Microfinance Advisors are living much closer to the reality of these societies than I am. When I watch the YouTube videos of conditions (for instance) of street children in various countries, I can't imagine what it would feel like to go to that country to visit a KIVA office and find out that some money was wasted. They're actually face-to-face with the local conditions. How heartbreaking!  How enraging!

Evelyn
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« Reply To This #24 on: July 17, 2008, 04:59:59 PM »

Maybe this is old news, but I just received this journal update concerning my MIFEX loans:


Here is a message written by Robert Edgar, MIFEX Co-Founder and
Director, on your loan:



As Mifex's Co-Founder and Director of Operations, I want to provide you
with an update on your loan managed by Mifex. As you may know, all
entrepreneur profiles on Kiva's website are posted by local Field
Partners, like Mifex, which are organizations that lend to the poor for
poverty alleviation. The role of a Field Partner is to screen each
entrepreneur, upload his/her loan request on the Kiva website, disburse
the loan, and collect loan repayments.



Lately, we have encountered substantial obstacles that may affect the
repayment performance of Mifex and its entrepreneurs on the Kiva
website. Here is an update from our institution that I hope helps
clarify what some of the issues we are dealing with are. If you have
any questions please do not hesitate to visit the Mifex website:
http://www.mifex.org/, or email us at info@mifex.org.



In the microfinance industry Mifex is a very young organization. We were
amongst the first institutions to use Kiva for financing and we have
heavily relied on Kiva funds to start our organization. Although Kiva
and the great lenders that support the site have helped our institution
form a strong base for growth, we have recently encountered substantial
obstacles.



A shortage of capital, combined with escalating default rates, has put a
heavy strain on our operation. Many of our clients are also having a
very difficult time making their repayments due to the persistent rains
during the first half of the year. These factors have caused Mifex to
accumulate a debt to Kiva lenders that we cannot pay without putting in
danger the sustainability of our organization.



As a result, Mifex and Kiva have agreed to put a temporary pause on all
new fundraising on the site until our organization regains its
stability. We will continue to make collections on our Kiva loans
during this time. However, due to the challenges we face, some of the
funds you are expecting as a repayment may be delayed or defaulted if
we are not able to collect them within 6 months of the end of their
respective loan terms, as Kiva's policy states.



Over the next several months we will devote 100% of our efforts to
resolving this situation so we can continue our relationship with Kiva.
We will continue to collect the debt from our clients who have defaulted
as well as explore other sources of financing. Meanwhile, we
respectfully ask for your patience as we diligently work towards these
goals.
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« Reply To This #25 on: August 14, 2008, 02:25:37 AM »

Maybe this is old news, but I just received this journal update concerning my MIFEX loans:


Here is a message written by Robert Edgar, MIFEX Co-Founder and
Director, on your loan:



As Mifex's Co-Founder and Director of Operations, I want to provide you
with an update on your loan managed by Mifex. As you may know, all
entrepreneur profiles on Kiva's website are posted by local Field
Partners, like Mifex, which are organizations that lend to the poor for
poverty alleviation. The role of a Field Partner is to screen each
entrepreneur, upload his/her loan request on the Kiva website, disburse
the loan, and collect loan repayments.



Lately, we have encountered substantial obstacles that may affect the
repayment performance of Mifex and its entrepreneurs on the Kiva
website. Here is an update from our institution that I hope helps
clarify what some of the issues we are dealing with are. If you have
any questions please do not hesitate to visit the Mifex website:
http://www.mifex.org/, or email us at info@mifex.org.



In the microfinance industry Mifex is a very young organization. We were
amongst the first institutions to use Kiva for financing and we have
heavily relied on Kiva funds to start our organization. Although Kiva
and the great lenders that support the site have helped our institution
form a strong base for growth, we have recently encountered substantial
obstacles.



A shortage of capital, combined with escalating default rates, has put a
heavy strain on our operation. Many of our clients are also having a
very difficult time making their repayments due to the persistent rains
during the first half of the year. These factors have caused Mifex to
accumulate a debt to Kiva lenders that we cannot pay without putting in
danger the sustainability of our organization.



As a result, Mifex and Kiva have agreed to put a temporary pause on all
new fundraising on the site until our organization regains its
stability. We will continue to make collections on our Kiva loans
during this time. However, due to the challenges we face, some of the
funds you are expecting as a repayment may be delayed or defaulted if
we are not able to collect them within 6 months of the end of their
respective loan terms, as Kiva's policy states.



Over the next several months we will devote 100% of our efforts to
resolving this situation so we can continue our relationship with Kiva.
We will continue to collect the debt from our clients who have defaulted
as well as explore other sources of financing. Meanwhile, we
respectfully ask for your patience as we diligently work towards these
goals.


WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Speaking about 'transparency', I don't believe that KIVA ever stated anywhere that under any circumstances that an MFI could redirect payments made on our loans to other endeavours, such as to foster their sustainability, as in the present MIFEX case, or for any other reason.
If payments are being made on some of our MIFEX loans, don't we have the right to know about these payments? Conversely, if our borrowers are not making their payments, I think we ought to have a right to know about that, too. I believe that we ought to know how much of OUR money is being withheld by the MFI, and specifically, which borrowers have repaid these sums.
When I joined KIVA, I presumed that the risk I assumed related to the non-repayment by individual borrowers. Now it appears that the risk is actually considerably broader than that. There is a risk that the MFI may make improvident business decsions, or for some other reason, require the use of MY money for THEIR purpose which was unstated and unknown to me at the time I agreed to loan to their client, through them and their partnership with KIVA. Additionally, there is a further risk that KIVA will permit the MFI's to do this, as has happened in the present case with MIFEX.
At law, what is happening here really two things: the first of which is termed "conversion", the second of which is termed "intermixture".
Conversion occurs when the characteristic of an asset is fundamentally changed, for example from cash to a good, as with a purchase or alternatively, from a good to cash, as with the sale of a commodity. Cheques may also be "converted" to cash, when they are negotiated (i.e. presented) for payment. ( A cheque, which is really a piece of paper, is evidence of a promise to pay a specified sum, on a specified date, to a specified person/business.) When the individual borrowers repay the MFI, they likely use either cash or cheques. If cheques are used, rather than cash, "conversion" takes place at this point.
The MFI then deposits these payments into their account. This is the point at which the "Intermixture" actually occurs.
"Intermixture" refers to a comingling of funds, designated for a particular purpose (e.g. individual loan repayments) being blended together with other funds, obscuring the source of ALL the funds (i.e. the identities of the individual borrowers who repaid them). Keep in mind a portion of the loan repayments includes both interest, which belongs to the MFI, and a percentage of the principal sum borrowed (which belongs to the collective KIVA lenders who funded that particular loan.) KIVA usually gets partial loan repayments from their MFI's quarterly, I believe. In these instances, KIVA is holding he funds for us in what is akin to a Trust. While the MFI holds the funds, before transferring them to KIVA, they hold them in what is akin to a Trust, for us.
In my humble opinion, in the MIFEX case, there has been an agreed breach of that trust, between KIVA and MIFEX. At law, that is termed a "conspiracy". The interest of maintaining the solvency of the MFI has been placed above our right to recieve an accounting of the repayments, if any have been made, and the return of the ALL sums repaid, as per our agreement with KIVA.

Not only is this act non-transparent, in my view, such an action is highly repugnant, if not unlawful.

I would welcome a response from KIVA Staffers and/or their solicitor(s). May we hear from you, please.

Lorna




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« Reply To This #26 on: August 14, 2008, 06:00:41 AM »

Good post, Lorna.  I share many of your concerns.

It's now been about three months since MIFEX stopped making repayments on any of their loans, and nearly a month since we got an update from MIFEX about our loans.  As of May, MIFEX was Kiva's third largest MFI partner measured by the total amount of loans disbursed.  Prior to May, I believe MIFEX was ranked a 3-star MFI, although the MFI description contained some notes about how many of their loans were agricultural and would not be fully collected until the end of the loan term.

What bothers me is that it appears that MIFEX might have been on shaky financial ground all along, and yet Kiva allowed this MFI to become their third largest MFI partner.  The heavy rains in Ecuador may have been a major factor in the collapse of MIFEX, but the preceding infusion of interest-free Kiva capital should have made MIFEX stronger, not weaker.    I have eight active MIFEX loans, none of which was directly agricultural.  Did all eight of my borrowers actually quit making payments in April?  I doubt it.

Although Kiva doesn't hide the fact that the MFI is the middleman on all loans, they also certainly promote the idea that the funds are going from the lender to the borrower.  The MIFEX situation reinforces the reality - that we are loaning to the MFI, not to the individual.  At this point, I am very reluctant to loan to an MFI that is ranked less than 4-stars.

I think that Kiva has a responsibility to their lenders to provide regular updates on the MIFEX situation.  IMO, one update in nearly three months is inadequate.
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« Reply To This #27 on: August 14, 2008, 07:52:07 AM »

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Quizzoid:

No argument from me on any of your points. I agree 100% with everything you've said. I am quite sure that MIFEX has been on shaky ground for some time. The agricultural loans were undoubtedly the start of their problems. I think the remainder was an echo (or snowball) effect. When I made all of my loans to MIFEX there was not one word mentioned on the second page of the loan entitled, "About the Field Partner" or something similar, that MIFEX had any financial difficulties APART from agricultural loans. The problems with loans in this sector, were glossed over and attempts were made to explain them away. Further to this, the fact that ths MFI was permitted a 'different' reporting system, which failed to disclose their true delinquency rate, I contend also further enabled MIFEX to obscure the reality of their financial situation from KIVA lenders.
Lenders can't exercise "due diligence" when pertinent facts are witheld from them or otherwise obscured. KIVA has a fiduciary duty to KIVA lenders to inform us of every known risk and every potential risk BEFORE we put our money on the line, including providing us with accurate, up to date information on all MFI's and any other factors which might dissuade us from making the loan, IF known to us, beforehand.
You are correct when you say we are making an interest-free loan to the MFI. The human face of the eventual borrower shown to us online is the third party beneficary. Our funds are 'earmarked' for their eventual, exclusive use. Their obligation to repay is an obligation to the MFI, not to KIVA, or to us. The MFI has an enforceable contract with the eventual borrower. We do not and nor does KIVA although KIVA has a contract with each MFI, which I don't believe any of us have ever had the opportunity to read. Who knows what it says...I certainly am not privy to that information. Transparent? I think not. KIVA is supposed to put our interests FIRST. It is their lawful obligation, flowing from their fiduciary responsibility to all of us, as their lenders. It is not the priviledge of KIVA to make deals with certain MFI's, in preference to others I might add, which jeopardize or compromise our ability to recover repaid funds from the eventual borrowers, through the various MFI's, including but not limited to MIFEX. Is KIVA prepared to make the same deal to every insolvent MFI as they have so generously extended to MIFEX at the expense of their lenders?
Frankly, at this point KIVA is falling considerably below my expectations of the organization to say nothing of what their legal obligations to us may be in the State of California.

In my humble opinion, KIVA has been negligent in protecting it's lenders concerning MIFEX.

Lorna















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« Reply To This #28 on: August 14, 2008, 11:20:50 AM »

I have 1 MIFEX loan and it has so far posted only one payment July 26th... I was overjoyed - not for myself - but to know that there is a good chance that borrower was going to be OK.

I personally wish to concentrate on the last paragraph of the update that I also received and which is part of the one Lorna quoted...

"Over the next several months we will devote 100% of our efforts to resolving this situation so we can continue our relationship with Kiva. We will continue to collect the debt from our clients who have defaulted as well as explore other sources of financing. Meanwhile, we respectfully ask for your patience as we diligently work towards these goals.
Posted by Michelle May Kreger, Kiva Staff, from San Francisco, United States
Jul 17, 2008 "

This to me is a promise that says they will try ...
And also a request for my patience...

Kiva is doing a fantastic job that is growing and changing and I don't know how they sleep at night.
I am willing give them the only thing I have... my patience.
And I send to Ecuador my love and best wishes...
jan

Jan,

Those are my feelings, exactly. Thumbs Up
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« Reply To This #29 on: August 21, 2008, 12:50:02 PM »

Jan,

Those are my feelings, exactly. Thumbs Up

Jan & Kay:

The problem, as I understand the letter from MIFEX, is NOT that the borrowers are not "ok". Many of them are still making their scheduled loan payments and are doing just fine.
The issue is that we, the lenders to the MFI, are not seeing them being returned to us.
KIVA and MIFEX have reached some sort of understanding that we won't be paid for some time, IF ever.
That is NOT because the borrowers are not paying. It is because MLFEX is using our loan repayments elsewhere in their business.

Lorna
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