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Question: If someone developed a spreadsheet that used macros, would you use it?
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YowieFreak
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« Reply To This #240 on: July 15, 2009, 04:44:08 AM »

It looks like the spreadsheet will have problems again as Kiva seems to have changed the loan export file again - it now includes statuses of "Paid Back - Delinquent" as well as the more usual "Paid Back".

Does anyone have any idea what the difference between the two statuses could mean?

Example of "Paid Back - Delinquent":  La Amistad Group
Example of "Paid Back": Maria Félix Centeno
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« Reply To This #241 on: July 15, 2009, 05:28:27 AM »

It looks like the spreadsheet will have problems again as Kiva seems to have changed the loan export file again - it now includes statuses of "Paid Back - Delinquent" as well as the more usual "Paid Back".

Does anyone have any idea what the difference between the two statuses could mean?

Example of "Paid Back - Delinquent":  La Amistad Group
Example of "Paid Back": Maria Félix Centeno
"Paid Back" means the loan is payed back in full.

"Paid Back - Delinquent" means the status is set as Payed back (Expect no more repayments on this loan), and that the loan is delinquent - meaning the borrower failed to repay the loan, or in most cases parts of it.
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« Reply To This #242 on: July 15, 2009, 05:29:22 AM »

Version 1.99 and 1.99.6

Attached are two new versions of the spreadsheet - v1.99 uses msxml.dll, and v1.99.6 uses msxml6.dll.

I recommend people use v1.99.6 unless they don't have msmxl6.dll installed on their computer and aren't willing to install it (e.g. on company computers, etc).


I have changed the spreadsheet so that statuses of "Paid Back - Delinquent" will be treated identically to "Paid Back".

(I'm working on the assumption that people will want to have a working spreadsheet well before Kiva responds to my email asking them why the change was implemented and what the difference between the two statuses is.)

* Kiva_Summary_v1.99.xls (381 KB - downloaded 51 times.)
* Kiva_Summary_v1.99.6.xls (379.5 KB - downloaded 71 times.)
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« Reply To This #243 on: July 15, 2009, 05:35:47 AM »

"Paid Back" means the loan is payed back in full.

"Paid Back - Delinquent" means the status is set as Payed back (Expect no more repayments on this loan), and that the loan is delinquent - meaning the borrower failed to repay the loan, or in most cases parts of it.

I don't think so.

Your description of "Paid Back - Delinquent" fits what Kiva calls "Ended with Loss - Defaulted". Also, the loan Ian linked as an example is 100% paid back.

And as it seems to have been paid back "early" (well, on the corresponding billing day), my first thought "Paid Back late" (which is of little interest anyway) doesn't fit either.

So I think it's a good idea to ignore it for now, Ian - thanks for the update!

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Wolfgang.
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« Reply To This #244 on: July 15, 2009, 05:37:30 AM »

"Paid Back - Delinquent" means the status is set as Payed back (Expect no more repayments on this loan), and that the loan is delinquent - meaning the borrower failed to repay the loan, or in most cases parts of it.

Hmmm - so you think that the "delinquent" one is where the lenders have received all their money back from the MFI, even though the entrepreneur hasn't made all the repayments to the MFI?

I guess that's possible - certainly all the loans that have that status in my portfolio have "nonpayment" risk being borne by the MFI.
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« Reply To This #245 on: July 15, 2009, 05:48:36 AM »

Hmmm - so you think that the "delinquent" one is where the lenders have received all their money back from the MFI, even though the entrepreneur hasn't made all the repayments to the MFI?

I guess that's possible - certainly all the loans that have that status in my portfolio have "nonpayment" risk being borne by the MFI.
I'm not sure that fits. I have one entrepreneur's loan listed as paid back delinquent who has since received a second loan. I only noticed this because I am a lender on both loans. Her current loan is paying back in good status. I don't think she would have received a second loan if she had failed to pay back the first one and the MFI "covered" non-repayments.

Majida - paid back delinquent
Majida - paying back
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« Reply To This #246 on: July 15, 2009, 06:06:20 AM »


 I don't think she would have received a second loan if she had failed to pay back the first one and the MFI "covered" non-repayments.


I have several loans like this one in Benin where the entrepreneur took out second loans without repaying the first. Sure sounds like MFIs are abusing the system.

Codjo - Paying Back Delinquent
Codjo - Second Loan

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« Reply To This #247 on: July 15, 2009, 06:15:08 AM »

Ian - I tried your last version of your spreedsheat (thank you:) but am curious on the following:

In the My loans tab I have 32 loans Paid Back - delinquint which are all full paid.  I also hae 5 more that are partially paid and such make sense.

In the Summary tab I see 16 delinquent loans in total, whereof 7 never paid. . .

Possible to explain this - I am happy to send my data if that helps.


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« Reply To This #248 on: July 15, 2009, 06:32:23 AM »

In the My loans tab I have 32 loans Paid Back - delinquint which are all full paid.  I also hae 5 more that are partially paid and such make sense.

In the Summary tab I see 16 delinquent loans in total, whereof 7 never paid. . .

Possible to explain this - I am happy to send my data if that helps.

Lately, because there have been so many loans on the site and it has therefore taken longer to fund them, there are more and more loans where the first payment is marked as being "due" prior to the first date that could be reasonably expected.

For instance, the Amanecer Group is shown as having the first repayment due back to lenders on July 1 (based on payments expected to be received by the MFI from the entrepreneur on May 27) but, because the loan still hasn't been funded yet, the earliest date on which Kiva will "bill" the MFI for those payments will now be August 15 with a due date for payment of September 1.

In that case, my spreadsheet will treat the loan as delinquent as soon as it is funded (because the July 1 due date has come and gone without any credits having been returned to the lenders) but Kiva will probably not treat it as delinquent until September 1.

That's a fairly extreme example (two months between stated first due date and realistic first due date), but there will be numerous cases at the moment where there is one month between the two.

One day (maybe for v2.0?) I will put some extra smarts into the spreadsheet to cater for this sort of scenario.

Regards,
  Ian

P.S.  If that doesn't explain what is happening with your portfolio, send me a PM with the list of all the loans that the spreadsheet is showing as delinquent (they will have their business ids coloured red on the Loans tab) and I will investigate further.
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« Reply To This #249 on: July 17, 2009, 06:56:51 AM »

I ran the newest just now and am now down to 3 delinquent on the same portfolio (more or less). . .

I think I have found one error though - I have two lines in my repayment that reads "Catch-up for penny errors (ids=29900,38621,40915,45451,46049,46050,46051,46469)." and "Catch-up for penny error." for 6 pence and 1 pennny.

These 6 pence match exactly Written off in the Summary tab in my copy.  Not a huge sum but apparantly a glitch in you spreadsheet I presume. . .

As I understand you stretch for 100% perfect I mention it here:)

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