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Author Topic: Kiva Conference Call - February 18, 2009  (Read 9236 times)
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« Reply To This #20 on: February 19, 2009, 09:04:49 PM »

If there is such a big difference in what relenders donate and first timers donate, it sounds like Kiva needs to get the point across that operating costs are not tied to the amount of money you have in the lending system.  It is more tied to the total amount you have lent, since they have to keep up the engineering, accounting, oversight, and troubleshooting for all current loans, irregardless of whether the money was 'new' to the system or not.  Also Kiva is trying to reach more borrowers and partner with new MFIs to meet demand, which is hardly correlated at all to the amount lent at the moment.  

Maybe on the donation screen they can emphasize that they are trying to keep up with demand and need additional funds not only to maintain the loan the person is making at that moment, but also to try and expand into new markets.  I am not good with words, but somehow they need to make that point.

It seems obvious to me that the amount Kiva needs is not really that tied the current amount loaned at all, which is part of the problem for both Kiva - trying to get enough donations - and lenders, who are unsure what is really needed.  The hard part is communicating and convincing the potential donor of the real need, yet still making it simple and ultraconvenient for everyone to contribute.  

I am not so sure about membership or any such thing, as it seems it would complicate matters, and also lead to more engineering requirements that the membership fees alone may not be able to support.  I guess that is up to Kiva to figure out.  

I for one would like to see some more guidance from Kiva as to what they need and how that would calculate down to a % of the current amount lent. Personally, this seems like not a stagnant number, as Kivas status quo vs different levels of expansion all cost different amounts, and the amount lent is constantly changing.    But I also understand that not all people give and so that is why charities ask for more than each persons share would be.  So I don't know exactly how Kiva should go about it.  I kind of wish they would actually tell those of us who are more involved some real numbers, so we know what is a reasonable amount to donate, even if they leave the psychology based figures on the website.  But of course that I guess could defeat the purpose of the psychology based figures.   Wink

But I do feel they need to spend a little time rewording and 're-marketing' their donation approach to make it a little more obvious that donations should keep coming even if you aren't adding more money to the system.  I think their first effort should be to put together a page that people could link to from both the ABOUT section, as well as from the contribution request page that describes in some detail what the donations support: Kiva fellow training, staff in 5 regions of the world to train and oversee MFIs, legal and administration costs of getting new MFIs on board, engineering support for both the lender face of the website and the MFI interface,  etc.  Not a huge deal, just a short breakdown of some expenses so people get the idea that the donations aren't just needed the first time money is put into the system.   This somehow is a thought trap that is easy to fall into with Kiva, as I know I went through those thoughts before too.  I remember wondering if I should continue donating on relent money, and if so, should I donate the same % as I donated on the original loans?  Maybe on the need page they could actually breakdown their need types into three categories 1) any costs associated with depositing or withdrawing money, or setting up a new account - anything that is a one time expense  2) expenses associated with upkeep of all current loans, MFIs, and systems  3) expenses associated with getting new MFI partners, expanding into new markets, getting new lenders, offering new services, etc, etc

OK, I will quit now Wacko
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« Reply To This #21 on: February 19, 2009, 10:33:18 PM »

Hello Fellow Kivans,

I have been reading with interest the debate about the dwindling Kiva donations. I am somewhat guilty as are most of us. I don't want to blame the reduction on Kiva but I think that there are some things that Kiva can do about it. The current requests for donations are bland and even sort of a nuisance step to go through to be able to fund a loan. Having said that I realize that Kiva has to have that step or donations would be even much less.

I do have a suggestion that I think would help the situation. I think that Kiva could increase the amount of donations if they would be more specific about their needs. In this information age just "we need more money” will not cut it. Tell us why and what you need. I have no doubt that specific requests for specific items/usages would increase donations. How much I don’t know but I feel certain that some increase would occur.

If I remember correctly when I joined in the spring of 2007 Kiva had a “Wish List” on their web site. Am I dreaming? I seem to remember a request for used digital cameras to send to some of the MFIs that did not have them. I also seem to remember a request for flash drives and even a link to amazon.com to purchase them. I would like to see that again. If Kiva needs an additional server for more computing power, put the amount needed on-line and then keep track of the amount that comes in until it has been funded. Then people will feel they are part of the solution.

I realize that Kiva would never meet its needs for salaries by on-line requests. Hopefully salaries could still be covered by the current donation setup. However, I think that it would be OK to request specific office costs, i.e., copy paper, toner, ink, etc. I think that computers, office electronics, etc. would also attract donations.

One area that many people request is more countries. You could add a fund to a “Kiva Wish List” to help with the cost of finding and adding more counties. Many people are sore about the MIFEX situation. Add a fund to help cover the cost of litigation in Ecuador or wherever MIFEX is located. It might surprise you how many people would donate.

I would like to see a “Wish List” that would have an amount requested and then a running total of donations so people could see progress in real time. People have talked about the good and bad of team competition on loans. I think a “Wish List” would be an ideal place for team competition. Let’s see which team can out donate the other for a specific “Kiva Wish”.

These are my thoughts about increasing Kiva donations. What are your thoughts?

Jim aka Cactusjack
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« Reply To This #22 on: February 19, 2009, 11:07:11 PM »

I strongly agree with both Charity and Cactusjack (excellent posts, both of you-- Thumbs Up ). 

One of the things I appreciate about Kiva is that they give me a CHOICE to donate to them...they don't make it MANDATORY

Why do I choose between loan A and loan B when loaning?  For me, it's all about the information I'm given; that, and the tug on the heartstrings.  I would like to see Kiva do the same.  Give me more information.  Show me how my money is working/can work for you.  I LOVE the idea of a wish list; a goal I can say, "hey, I put $xx toward that and we only need $xxx more!"

This whole idea of a better, spiffier Kiva experience for those who can pay "membership fees" leaves me cold.  As an example, one of my favorite places to donate is KUSC, a nearby classical radio station run by the University of Southern California.  Does paying a membership fee of $1000 means I get music by the likes of Yo-Yo Ma, James Galway, and Daniel Barenboim, and a membership fee of $40 means I get music by the local 5th grade class kazoo players? 

Nonny   Nea

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« Reply To This #23 on: February 19, 2009, 11:13:44 PM »

Just speculating, but I would guess that the $40 contributors get the monthly newsletter and the $1,000 contributors get the annual annotated playlist in addition.

I too think the wish list is an excellent idea-- as I said, anything to get it distinct and away from the middle of the lending process.

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« Reply To This #24 on: February 20, 2009, 01:23:28 AM »

A "wish list" is a great idea, especially for getting new countries on the mfi list! There is still one wish list at Amazon but this is a bit hidden and could be much better promoted on the kiva website itself. And if I do not understand it wrong the items on the current list are more for the mfis than for kiva itself.: https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/322QSU5675SPA/ref=wl_web/

But the easiest way to make me give donations to kiva would be really just to make it tax deductive.
A:  The only place where donation is tax deductible is USA, Kiva might get more if it were tax deductible in other countries. (Premal: we will prioritize next few countries to address tax deductibility)

Therefore I hope Germany is one of the "next few countries".  Wink
 
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« Reply To This #25 on: February 20, 2009, 03:56:59 AM »

Thankyou Diane (and Kerry who maintained an excellent chat room account) for the comprehensive and well documented account of the Conference Call. I know from experience how difficult it can be to take notes/ minutes whilst trying to also participate..

So a very BIG THANKYOU!!!  Flowers
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« Reply To This #26 on: February 20, 2009, 03:56:59 AM »

If Kiva introduced a newer, spiffier kiva for people who wanted to pay for it, I'd consider quitting Kiva altogether. It's like two tiered health care. No thanks! Kiva should be an inclusive place and I don't think this is the way to go about bringing in more lenders/donations.
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« Reply To This #27 on: February 20, 2009, 04:22:17 AM »

I enjoy lending and I especially enjoy the information from all sources (KIVA, KIVA Friends, KIVA Fellows, etc). 

I like the freedom to:
 - choose to whom I lend
 - how much I choose to lend
 - if and how much I donate to KIVA

No mandatory anything for me!

A wishlist is an excellent idea.   We lenders and KFr's seem to enjoy all we can read and learn and participate in, and knowing more might mean we donate more.  I stated in the chatroom that I did not realize KIVA needed donations because I thought they had big corporate sponsors and international exposure in the news.  Tell us what's going on, and don't be surprised to find out that we respond to new knowledge with generosity.

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« Reply To This #28 on: February 20, 2009, 08:23:27 AM »

Just speculating, but I would guess that the $40 contributors get the monthly newsletter and the $1,000 contributors get the annual annotated playlist in addition.

Close, Dan. I couldn't find anything about the $500- and $1,000-memberships, but there are lists of benefits for the $2,500-, the $5,000- and the $10,000-contributors. Here's what members of the "President's Circle" ($10,000 and above) get:

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    * Annual meeting with President of Classical KUSC
    * Opportunity for you to host a meeting or reception at the station
    * An Annual Meeting with Classical KUSC General Manager
    * Opportunities for you and a guest to attend Classic Events
    * Quarterly Insider's Newsletter from President of Classical KUSC
    * Annual Report from President of Classical KUSC
    * Personal guided tour of Classical KUSC studios and opportunity to meet station announcers
    * Acknowledgement on Classical KUSC's website donor list and Member's Newsletter

Best wishes,
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« Reply To This #29 on: February 20, 2009, 05:43:23 PM »

The reason I would like to see the donations someplace other than in the middle of the lending process is because when a lender has enough credits to get in on a loan, they are not thinking about the "donation overhead" in calculating whether they have enough.  So the request for the donation often comes at a bad time.

Put a donation button at some of the other places where we aren't on "the hunt" and are being made aware of the wonderful things Kiva is doing - such as the home page, the blogs from the fellows etc.  There I am not constrained by the amount of credit I have left - only by what's available on my credit card (or maybe in PayPal).

Dan
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