Cockfighting loan

[Guest]

.

[AccountAbility]

The pattern of "people yell, organization gets nervous, organization hides the controversial stuff" is how book banning happens.  I don't want it to be how we do business.

Marilee, I think they taught wisdom in your library classes.  A bunch of pages ago I happened to compare this issue and Kiva to a library-- with the same concern that the overall goal not get subsumed by perfectly good goals that sidetrack.

Dan

[Unilove]

I think I read somewhere that they have a new category of loan, clearly stating it is a Bloodsport loan.  Am I mistaken?

[RichardF]

Analogy … is an inference or an argument from one particular to another particular.

False analogy is an informal fallacy applying to inductive arguments. It … consists of an error in the substance of an argument (the content of the analogy itself).

Please complete the following analogy.

Opposing the torturing of animals is to banning books, as

____________________ is to ____________________.

[Jane Sladen]

... compassion is to needless dictatorship...

Jane Sladen.

[tomviolence]

should people who don't like the santanic harry potter books force the library of congress completely redo the methods they use to catalog, list, and lend books ?

[RichardF]

I'm opposed to cockfighting and I don't apologize for speaking out against it.

If anyone wants to speak out against banning books, that sounds like a good idea for a new topic.

[Harvey:)]

I would add to Cheryl's post (just to clarify the issue from those of us opposed to cockfighting but not opposed to raising poultry for food):

Asking to ban a loan To Torture a Rooster is not, in any sense of the word, asking to ban a book To Kill a Mockingbird.


Judy

[greg3912]

... compassion is to needless dictatorship...

Jane Sladen.

The United States has frequently imposed censorship on its citizens. I think TV networks still have censors who review for content. It may only be a formality at this point, but as long as the format exists future governments can easily impose restrictions.

[Marilee]

Analogy … is an inference or an argument from one particular to another particular.

False analogy is an informal fallacy applying to inductive arguments. It … consists of an error in the substance of an argument (the content of the analogy itself).

Please complete the following analogy.

Opposing the torturing of animals is to banning books, as

____________________ is to ____________________.

I apologize for stirring this up again a month later, but I didn't get to read KivaFriends for a month, and I wanted to address what I see as a misunderstanding here.  I am not equating opposing cockfighting with banning books.  I'm not suggesting people shouldn't act on their beliefs.

I'm saying that certain tactics have side effects that can be just as problematic as the original issue.  I feel that applying pressure directly to the MFI is one of those tactics.  I suggest that this should be resolved, consistently and evenhandedly, at a Kiva policy level lest we open a whole can of worms that could affect whether MFIs offer other kinds of loans that you want to support.

[RichardF]

I suggest that this should be resolved, consistently and evenhandedly, at a Kiva policy level ...

Thanks, Marilee.   

I'm also all for Kiva doing that. 

...and that would mean Kiva needs to __________ next...