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« Reply To This #110 on: August 19, 2009, 11:36:47 AM »

Interesting news item re: opposition to cockfighting in the United States.  http://www.hsus.org/acf/news/cockfighting_death_knell.html

It seems the U.S. Postal Service has declared magazines about blood sports as unmailable material, putting out of business several magazines glorifying cockfighting and allowing advertisers access to practitioners of the "sport".  I think this is a great sign!   Hurrah Hat Wave

Perhaps we can see laws enacted soon that will make it illegal for kiva to support such businesses as well.  We can hope! 
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« Reply To This #111 on: August 19, 2009, 12:03:34 PM »

Great News, Tatiana. Thanks for posting it and the link.  Thumbs Up

I also hope that we will soon see laws which will prevent Kiva from promoting/posting (for fundraising) cockfighting (and any other blood sports) loans. It is a sad commentary that we have to wait for such laws to be in place before Kiva will step up (ethically and morally) and stop promoting cockfighting by posting those loans.


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« Reply To This #112 on: August 19, 2009, 08:17:45 PM »

It would make Kiva's job easier if there were laws on things like this.  Just saying...

so far, I think cockfighting is down 0-2 to KFers.

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« Reply To This #113 on: August 19, 2009, 09:06:45 PM »

It would make Kiva's job easier if there were laws on things like this.  Just saying...

so far, I think cockfighting is down 0-2 to KFers.

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I (and many others) have never needed a law to inform me (us) that torturing animals is inhumane, unethical, and immoral. And I (and many others) have never needed a law to make it easier for me (us) to act in a manner which is humane, moral and ethical.

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« Reply To This #114 on: October 06, 2009, 09:15:21 PM »

This ongoing story is a timely backdrop to the animal cruelty discussions here.


National Public Radio: High Court Weighs Arguments In Dogfighting Case
by DEBORAH TEDFORD
October 6, 2009

Animal-rights groups and free-speech advocates squared off in a major First Amendment battle Tuesday, as the U.S. Supreme Court prepared to decide whether videos of illegal dogfights are protected speech.

In oral arguments, the Obama administration asked the justices to reinstate the Federal Depiction of Animal Cruelty statute. The 10-year-old law prohibits the sale of videos and other depictions of animal cruelty in jurisdictions where the activities shown are illegal unless they have "serious value."

But Virginia filmmaker Robert Stevens argued in court filings that the law is too broad and violates his constitutional right to free speech. In 2005, Stevens was convicted of producing violent videos of dogfights and sentenced to 37 months in prison, but a federal appeals court found the law unconstitutional and overturned his conviction.

At issue in U.S. v. Stevens is whether animal cruelty should be categorized as expression so reprehensible that it does not deserve First Amendment protection. That hasn't been done since the court's landmark 1982 ruling on child pornography.

During arguments Tuesday, several of the justices indicated that they may agree with Stevens.

"Why not do a simpler thing?" Justice Stephen Breyer asked a lawyer for the government. "Ask Congress to write a statute that actually aims at the frightful things they were trying to prohibit."

Stevens' lawyer, Patricia Millet, said Congress must be careful when restricting an individual's right to free speech, noting lawmakers should use "a scalpel, not a buzz saw."

Representing the government, Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal said Congress was careful to exempt hunting, educational, journalistic and other depictions from the law. Katyal urged the court not to wipe away the legislation in its entirety, but to allow courts to decide on a case-by-case basis whether videos are prohibited.

Justice Samuel Alito asked whether the court should focus on the potential prosecution of hunters, "or do we look at what's happening in the real world?"

Congress passed the law in 1999 with an eye toward limiting Internet sales of "crush videos," which show women crushing small animals with their bare feet or while wearing high-heeled shoes, according to Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA), who sponsored the anti-cruelty legislation.

"Other crimes often go hand in hand with animal fighting, including illegal gambling, drug trafficking and acts of human violence," Gallegly said in a statement on his Web site. "Virtually every arrest for animal cruelty has also led to additional arrests for at least one of these criminal activities. Moreover, gratuitous cruelty toward animals dehumanizes all of us and is simply wrong."

The case has generated a large amount of interest, in part because of the dogfighting conviction of pro football player Michael Vick in 2007. Vick served nearly two years for running an interstate dogfighting ring from his home in Virginia and was released in May.

Stevens, a pit bull enthusiast, has said he opposes animal cruelty. In court documents, he maintained he did not stage the dogfights and that the videos were intended to be instructional guides for pit bull owners.

He has garnered support from major news organizations and free-speech advocates, who argued that the law could discourage efforts to investigate such activities as seal clubbing or animal testing in the cosmetic and pharmaceutical industries if video or photographic images are obtained.

"Images of bullfighting in Spain, historical footage of cockfighting in Louisiana and documentaries about clubbing seals in Canada all could be prosecuted under the statute," the American Civil Liberties Union stated in a court brief supporting Stephens.

But animal-rights advocates and law enforcement agencies around the country argued that removing the profit motive from "blood sports" is a valuable tool for law enforcement authorities.

"The importance of the law in stopping animal cruelty cannot be overstated," said Sgt. David Hunt of the Franklin County (Ohio) Sheriff's Department. "It's a powerful tool to go after those who profit from illegal animal cruelty and promote criminal behavior."

From NPR staff and wire reports
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« Reply To This #115 on: October 06, 2009, 09:36:26 PM »

I originally posted this in another thread but I am going to repost it here because it is pertinent to this thread also:

From American Humane:

One Abuser, Two Victims

When 9-year-old Beth* was sexually abused by her stepfather, she told the prosecuting attorney that someone else knew about it -- but that he couldn’t talk. She was referring to her beloved cat, Oreo. Beth explained that Oreo would bravely lie outside her door at night and hiss whenever her attacker appeared. In trying to protect her, the loyal black and white cat also became another victim of violence; Beth’s stepfather would always brutally kick Oreo away from the door. Beth’s revelation gave the prosecutor an idea. She decided to have Oreo examined by a veterinarian. The results were chilling. Sure enough, poor Oreo had sustained injuries consistent with being physically abused. When the prosecutor submitted the veterinarian’s report to the jury as evidence showing a pattern of violence in the home, Beth’s allegations gained credibility. In a way, Oreo was able to testify, convincing the jury that the traumatized little girl had been telling the truth. Beth’s stepfather was convicted and received a long prison sentence. Meanwhile, Beth and Oreo were finally able to experience what every child and animal deserves: a safe home.

The prosecutor in Beth’s case was Allie Phillips, who now works for American Humane as vice president of our Public Policy Office. She and our staff regularly conduct trainings for attorneys, judges, veterinarians, social workers, domestic-violence counselors and other social services providers on what American Humane calls The Link® between violence to people and violence to animals, increasing awareness of the powerful role it can play in unmasking and preventing abuse.
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***"I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man" ~M. Gandhi (1869-1948)
***"Animals cannot speak, but can you and I not speak for them and represent them? Let us all feel their silent cry of agony and let us all help that cry to be heard in the world." ~Rukmini Devi Arundale
***"The question is not Can they reason? Nor Can they talk? But Can they Suffer" ~ Jeremy Bentham, Philosopher
***"Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human life". ~ Albert Schweitzer
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« Reply To This #116 on: March 02, 2010, 10:31:51 AM »

EDESSA in Costa Rica does not post Cockfighting loans.

I am posting an excerpt from a letter someone received from EDESSA. This excerpt contains great news for lenders who are opposed to supporting cockfighting and also to lenders who have environmental concerns. Excerpt follows:

"Contrary to other countries of Central America, in Costa Rica cockfighting is not permitted. In EDESA we do not give loans for this or any other illegal activity.  In our credit statutes we also have strict regulations that do not permit loans which may cause any negative social or environmental impact."


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Edit: This excerpt was posted with the permission of the person who received the letter.
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***"I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man" ~M. Gandhi (1869-1948)
***"Animals cannot speak, but can you and I not speak for them and represent them? Let us all feel their silent cry of agony and let us all help that cry to be heard in the world." ~Rukmini Devi Arundale
***"The question is not Can they reason? Nor Can they talk? But Can they Suffer" ~ Jeremy Bentham, Philosopher
***"Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human life". ~ Albert Schweitzer
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« Reply To This #117 on: April 17, 2010, 01:27:06 PM »

I'm afraid we have another loan for someone who wants spare parts for his taxi but also raised gamecocks.  This would have been just another taxi loan and we would have never known.

Raul Gerardo
 Raul lives in the town of Santa Rita two kilometers from the municipality of Torno. His principal job is working as a taxi driver. He is single and his desire to improve his life is evident because he also raises gamecocks. Cockfighting, which is a combat between two roosters of the same species also known as "fine birds of combat", was created by humans for their enjoyment. The origin of these fights was in Asia. They began in China 2,500 years ago, and it is possible that 1,000 years before that cockfighting existed in India. In Ancient Rome gamecocks were used to inspire courage. Later, this practice was brought to the Americas by the Spanish Conquistadors.

Raul great hope is to have his own house. With the loan money Raul will buy spare parts for his taxi. He is a responsible and dynamic person, and he is very thankful for the trust Emprender and Kiva have shown by awarding him with a loan.

-jan-
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« Reply To This #118 on: April 17, 2010, 03:13:05 PM »

it's probably this hangover....but that photo of him looks very familiar too  Smiley
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« Reply To This #119 on: April 18, 2010, 12:14:19 AM »

I sent an email to Emprender giving them a brief history regarding cockfighting loans and to let them know that some lenders respectfully request that they not post them on Kiva. I asked them to please withdraw the loan to Raul and refund the money to the lenders already on the loan.
I also let them know that 3 other Kiva Field Partners were gracious enough to listen to our concerns & have previously done so.

Finca Peru:
This loan has been refunded for the following reason:

   Kiva's field partner, FINCA Peru, has decided to refund this loan. Here FINCA Peru explains why, in their own words:

   The story posted was from a young man, William, whose business is raising roosters for cockfights in Ayacucho. Cockfighting is legal in Peru. We understand and are sensitive to some of the Kiva community's opinions and criticisms regarding the use of this loan, which is why we have decided to ask Kiva to refund it, even though it has already been partially funded on the website.


Community Economic Ventures, Inc. (CEVI):
This loan has been refunded for the following reason:

    Kiva is refunding this loan as the purpose of the loan - to raise cockfighting rooster - was determined to be unclear in the original description. While cockfighting is legal in the Philippines and thus loans related to this industry from the country are eligible to be posted on the Kiva website, it was deemed that this business description did not state this intention clearly enough for lenders.


Paglaum Multi-Purpose Cooperative (PMPC):
This loan has been refunded for the following reason:

    The field partner has requested that this loan be refunded on the account that the project has offended the sensibilities of some of the Kiva lenders. PMPC express its deep regret for having posted this story on the Kiva website and has promised that it will not post any business that are related to cockfighting or any activity that implies cruelty to animals.

    PMPC hopes that this unfortunate incident should not affect the Kiva lender's support to the borrowers of PMPC, particularly that it has taken steps to make sure that this won't happen again.

    Thank you.



Let's hope that Emprender will reach the same conclusion & refund this loan.
Email Contact    emprendercentral@msn.com

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