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Author Topic: Kiva - big announcement due on Wednesday, June 10th  (Read 18078 times)
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« Reply To This #110 on: June 18, 2009, 04:38:19 PM »

I think it's interesting that at least two Kiva employees have joined the Pissed Off Kiva Lenders team
http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam/?team_id=7326
http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeamMembers/?team_id=7326
suggesting that there may have been some dissent within Kiva about the appropriateness of the U.S. loans.

Make that 3 (SmooveJ, Fiona and Gerard), but I doubt they joined because they agree with the team's statement but rather to be able to read the and post on the messageboard, there.

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« Reply To This #111 on: June 18, 2009, 04:47:49 PM »

 Embarrassed I'm guilty of joining the team for 10 minutes 'cause I wanted to see if any Kiva staff posted messages and, during that time, they hadn't Grin

I doubt that any of the members realized that Kiva staff had joined  Laugh
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« Reply To This #112 on: June 18, 2009, 05:03:11 PM »

What worries me a bit is that a couple of loans to the US have been dedicated to this team. I have the fear that they might use this as a way to be able to put insulting messages to the lenders pages ....
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« Reply To This #113 on: June 18, 2009, 05:10:57 PM »

What worries me a bit is that a couple of loans to the US have been dedicated to this team. I have the fear that they might use this as a way to be able to put insulting messages to the lenders pages ....

Maybe not.  There were some members who were standing up for Kiva and the US loans.  They He may have made the US loans just to make a point.
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« Reply To This #114 on: June 18, 2009, 05:19:33 PM »

Maybe not.  There were some members who were standing up for Kiva and the US loans.  They He may have made the US loans just to make a point.

I see that the same lender has made several loans to US borrowers before today.  Smiley
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« Reply To This #115 on: June 18, 2009, 05:22:22 PM »

When I looked just now, there were 157 members on this team (all joining today).  I further note that 106 of those 157 are non-Americans.  Although the team creator and slightly less than 1/3 of the members are American, I think it's notable that so many are not.


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« Reply To This #116 on: June 18, 2009, 05:27:45 PM »

Oh my,

Well, this is interesting.
Yeah, I'd join the team a second too to see what has been discussed there, but I guess I won't (for the moment Smiley ).

I've always been intrigued, interested in my study on Kiva by the native public/transparent nature of its structure.
Not only KivaFriends (through the visibility of its discussions and your "watchdog role", which I ask about in my survey) -see my signature below if you love to contribute  Smiley-, but increasingly organization-wide.
Teams seem increasingly a way for expressing intentions about the nature of engagement with Kiva (E.g. agricultural loans, green loans).

If on one side this awards the "movement" (if it can be called so) of Kivans (alias people who want to change the world gradually by empowering small entrepreneurs) a transparent, "humanised" and sometimes contradictory nature (issues are discussed and vocalized, rarely kept hidden) on the other some emerging issues might risk to reduce its common basis. Kivans' diversity of viewpoints is being really tested now.

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For all KivaFriends members and readers: I would be very very grateful if you could fill my short survey on your engagement with Kiva Smiley
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Open here at: http://www.stellarsurvey.com/s.aspx?u=77320F3E-9B3C-4846-97E3-BB35D980D2DC&
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« Reply To This #117 on: June 18, 2009, 05:36:21 PM »


Yeah, I'd join the team a second too to see what has been discussed there, but I guess I won't (for the moment Smiley ).

Oh go for it!!! Just change your name to "Anonymous" like I did  Cheesy
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« Reply To This #118 on: June 18, 2009, 05:47:22 PM »

Hehehhe...

Good suggestion!  Grin
(Always so much to learn from KivaFriends  Wink )

And Diane is also, as always, right.
Lots of non-Americans in the team. Maybe kind of expected, but still...

I'd be interested in seeing some lending patterns -on aggregate- to American loans now.  Reading....

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Researcher at City University, London, Department of Sociology on online activism and Web-native platforms for social change.

For all KivaFriends members and readers: I would be very very grateful if you could fill my short survey on your engagement with Kiva Smiley
Already 99 (+21 previously)  KFs or guests have filled it, hoping that many of you will join. Wink
Open here at: http://www.stellarsurvey.com/s.aspx?u=77320F3E-9B3C-4846-97E3-BB35D980D2DC&
Or check the post at: http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,2964.msg60502.html#msg60502
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« Reply To This #119 on: June 18, 2009, 06:27:04 PM »

There is a lot of misinformation about the "conditions" of the United States on this lending teams page.

http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam/?team_id=7326

The United States may be one of the "wealthiest" countries in the world, however many of it's citizens are very poor.  Indoor plumbing, electricity, and heat are NOT found in every home.  Clean water isn't available everywhere.  In the Appalachian Mountains, many community water supplies are contaminated due to Mountain Top Removal Mining.  The Great Lakes are contaminated due to Corporations dumping toxic waste into the water.  I'm sure all of you can think of contamination in your own area.  Not everyone has the resources to buy clean drinking water or dig a new well and are left to use contaminated water to drink, cook with, bathe, etc.....

We pay for children's schooling through taxes.  Many schools require children/parents to pay for school supplies and sports equipment. Schools often lack funding and must cut programs.  Not every student receives a "quality" education.

Affordable health care is not available for every person in the United States.  Millions of people are uninsured for various reasons.  Job loss, pre-existing medical conditions, high insurance premiums and high deductibles, etc...... Employers are cutting employees hours in order to make the employees pay the majority of the premiums.  I could go on and on about this.  For many people health insurance is just something that they can't afford.
( A SINGLE PAYOR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS NEEDED IN THE UNITED STATES.  NO PERSON SHOULD BE WITHOUT HEALTHCARE. Call or e-mail your politician and tell them we need this.)

As far as receiving a "bank" loan in the U.S.- at this time financial institutions are hanging on to their money.  Getting a loan is NOT as easy as it was at one time. 

Our legal system favors corporations, insurance companies, and anyone who has enough financial resources to see litigation through to trial. (those who don't have the resources are forced to walk away or to settle for very little.)

I encourage all of you to take a step back and look at lending in the United States using "fresh eyes."
You can't tell what a persons situation is by looking at a picture.  Just because someone doesn't look poor or sick doesn't mean they aren't in need.  I've always thought that if a person applies for a loan or a job they should wear the best clothes they have (not wear ragged clothes). Should people dress a certain way in order to get a Kiva loan?  Nice clothes could have been borrowed or purchased at thrift shops.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't make assumptions about anyone who is applying for a Kiva Loan.

Look at it as a positive.  If one of your poor friends or poor relatives (in need) want a loan from you, tell them you would be happy to loan them $25 if they get a Kiva loan. Smiley  That way you can help them out and get your money back!

 Just my views,
   Rebecca (who has never lived in poverty, but has seen parts of the country that are in severe poverty.)



 
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