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Author Topic: David Roodman, the Next Generation  (Read 4465 times)
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P, B and J
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« Reply To This #20 on: November 11, 2009, 07:46:59 AM »

Ian, Alan, Glenda, Dan, Wolfgang, thanks!  You've brought up some very, very pertinent examples and points to consider.  Thumbs Up

I don't have a problem with the fact that some borrowers (not all-I have one lady borrower who will receive her loan tomorrow, and the loan was posted on Kiva a month ago) have received their loan money before their loan request was posted on the Kiva website.  At first, when this became more explicit for me a long time ago, my bubble of idealism felt a little deflated, but that didn't last very long.

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At least since late 2008, Kiva wasn't any less transparent, I feel - all the information has been readily accessible since then, and all lenders that took their time to read through the Help Center (or in fact even the loan requests that featured the "Date Disbursed") had access to it. Obviously, many lenders didn't take this time and fell for the - granted: simplified (but then, in this simplicity highly unlikely and in fact impossible - short version of the Kiva story. I have a hard time blaming Kiva for that...

I agree with Wolfgang that the lenders do have some responsibility in informing themselves, in taking actions themselves to increase or clarify their understanding of things, to ferret out (as Jan worded it elsewhere in the forum Smiley ) the information/fine print.
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« Reply To This #21 on: November 11, 2009, 08:48:46 AM »

Has anyone ever seen a boilerplate contract between Kiva and a Field Partner?  Is anyone here speaking from a legal contract, terms of use of the loans, factual background?  If not, we're all just speaking from inferences and speculation.
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« Reply To This #22 on: November 11, 2009, 09:05:27 AM »

Has anyone ever seen a boilerplate contract between Kiva and a Field Partner?  Is anyone here speaking from a legal contract, terms of use of the loans, factual background?  If not, we're all just speaking from inferences and speculation.

In particular, Timothy Ogden with his unsubstantiated statement that started this little digression:

"The MFI partner has complete discretion over whether to repay your loan and whether or not to tie that repayment to the repayment of the particular borrower in question."

He is the one who needs to provide some actual evidence to support that damaging assertion, not the people who very rightly question it and ask for evidence.

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« Reply To This #23 on: November 11, 2009, 10:09:04 AM »

During the early discussion regarding Currency Loss Sharing KF's compiled a list of questions which was submitted to Liz Harmon. This is her answer to one of my questions.

6: Will FX value on Loan Disbursal Date be the Basis for FX Loss calculation except when Pre-Funded, in which case Loan Funding Date would serve as Basis?

A: The FX rate on the day the loan was fully funded will be the basis for the calculation. This is because that’s the date on which the “contract” by which Kiva lenders agree to send the MFI money in USD is finalized.


Obviously they changed the "set" date for FX calcualtion to Date Listed rather than Date Funded. However, this seems to imply that there is a "contract" between Lenders and MFI on individual loans.

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