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« on: November 13, 2009, 02:01:59 PM »

Shouldtn team be sorted after total loaned and not numbers of loans ?

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« Reply To This #1 on: November 13, 2009, 02:26:17 PM »

Shouldtn team be sorted after total loaned and not numbers of loans ?

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Such as in this page for instance?


(The headings on each column are "clickable" and will change the sort order to be whichever column you like.)
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« Reply To This #2 on: November 16, 2009, 01:56:28 AM »

Such as in this page for instance?


(The headings on each column are "clickable" and will change the sort order to be whichever column you like.)

Yes as default sorting
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« Reply To This #3 on: November 16, 2009, 02:18:41 AM »

Yes as default sorting

You will probably get as many people saying that the number of loans is more important than the value of loans as vice-versa.

Number of loans could indicate "interest in Kiva", without being affected by how much people can afford to provide.

Value of loans could indicate "how much benefit has been provided".

I, personally, prefer the number of loans.  (Luke 21:3)   Or, better still, nothing.

(I've never really worked out the need for teams, other than for sending messages to like-minded people.  Which is not to say that I don't keep track of the daily position of the two main teams I am on, based on both number and value of loans made.  A stat's a stat!  Laugh)
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« Reply To This #4 on: November 16, 2009, 08:23:47 PM »

I'm on a few teams that make a point to try to increase their standings, presumably when looking at the default sort.  I've wondered several times (and then didn't look into) whether it is better in that case to have "team loans" where everyone tries to jump on the same loan, or if it is better for the standings to have each team member do their own thing.  If the default is number of loans, it would appear that acting as a team holds down the team standings...   Hmmm

Someone on the GLBT team posted the following list of the top few teams and their stats when looked at per member.  Seen in this light, team Belgium is certainly to be commended!  I am humbled by their dedication!
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                  $ per member # Loans per member
Atheists                165.55                       5.41
Kiva Christians      232.76                      7.34
Obama                  172.56                      6.16
Europe                  357.61                     12.8
Australia               246.49                       8.60
P2P                      247.98                       7.74
GLBT                    188.42                       6.4
Belgium             1456.95                    41.38
Kiva Friends           264.82                      9.76
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« Reply To This #5 on: November 16, 2009, 09:04:15 PM »

I'm on a few teams that make a point to try to increase their standings, presumably when looking at the default sort.  I've wondered several times (and then didn't look into) whether it is better in that case to have "team loans" where everyone tries to jump on the same loan, or if it is better for the standings to have each team member do their own thing.  If the default is number of loans, it would appear that acting as a team holds down the team standings...   Hmmm

Someone on the GLBT team posted the following list of the top few teams and their stats when looked at per member.  Seen in this light, team Belgium is certainly to be commended!  I am humbled by their dedication!
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First, I'm with Ian. The stats may be of some interest, but ultimately they don't tell the whole story.

Second, acting as a team is not a problem. Quite the opposite. Number of loans is the number of times a team member has lent money. This is different from the number of borrowers who have been lent money by team members. e.g, the LLL team shows 1304 loans to 613 borrowers.

Incidentally, the LLL stats show:
8.75 loans per member
$237.92 per member

Also, Belgium's stats are skewed by one member with nearly 20,000 loans.

Finally, what really counts in my view is whether loans are being funded. That's the bottom line.
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« Reply To This #6 on: November 16, 2009, 09:37:19 PM »

Alan, thanks for correcting me.  I wasn't sure which way it worked, and I guess the few teams I looked at (small ones) didn't have multiple loans to the same borrower.  This makes much more sense!
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« Reply To This #7 on: November 16, 2009, 09:46:30 PM »

It does make sense, but the problem is that we use the term "loan" interchangeably for a person lending money, and for a borrower. So on the team page, if you click on the "Loans" link you get the borrowers, whilst the "number of loans" in the team stats is the number of times a member has made a loan. And, while we're on the topic, since when has "loan" been a verb?!
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« Reply To This #8 on: November 16, 2009, 09:47:52 PM »

Duh!   Pardon  I should have thought of Laurent.  He's only on about 100 of my loans...    Laugh
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