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« Reply To This #10 on: May 23, 2010, 12:20:43 AM »

Thanks Richard! 

Re: my ambition... I've been reading KF for quite some time, and I think most of the requests are relatively reasonable.  I agree that it's ambitious to fulfill every single KF need though... so I am going to start small.  My main focus for now is to show you guys that I am listening to your requests and then taking action.  I won't be able to fulfill every wish, but I am hopeful that I can pick off the requests that are relatively easy to address and take care of them quickly.

Once I've made some progress on that front, I am going to try to:

  • Identify harder issues that share a common root cause, and see if we can address them with a global fix.
  • Find ways to make it easier for the experts at Kiva (i.e. not me) post information on partner pages and also get in front of the lender community.
  • Dig into some of the questions raised around Kiva's values and processes.

Those are in increasing order of difficulty... so please give me some time.  But also: don't be afraid to hold me to a high standard.  I wouldn't have accepted this role if I didn't think I could make progress on the above.

Re: Values, I am reading through all 16 pages of this thread - let me know if there are other threads I should read:
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,3447.0.html

Re: Transparency, I am going to have to ask the in-house gurus for the details on how the risk ratings work.  Once I have a better understanding of that, I'll be in a better position to respond to your request!
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« Reply To This #11 on: May 23, 2010, 12:40:06 AM »

Hello John and  Welcome.

Happy to have you with us and looking forward to hear more from you.  Smiley
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« Reply To This #12 on: May 23, 2010, 01:47:15 AM »

Re: Values, I am reading through all 16 pages of this thread - let me know if there are other threads I should read:
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,3447.0.html
You might also want to read the Inadequate business descriptions, and other questionable loans thread starting with this message: http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,1025.msg56211.html#msg56211
WARNING: The discussion runs almost 30 pages  Shocked

Also, you might want to join the Animal Lovers and the Kivans Against Cockfighting Loans teams to read some of the comments and fallout that have resulted from posting animal cruelty loans.   

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Looking into SELFINA now... I just saw your earlier comment about SELFINA's delinquency rate relative to their star rating:
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,321.msg77886.html#msg77886

Is that what you'd like me to look into?  If so, let me know and I'd be glad to do so!

If it's not too much trouble it would be appreciated.

But that post was more of a reply expanding on Skimmis' post. He was both taken aback & upset that his autoloan to a 5 star MFI was to a Field Partner (FP) with a 36.73% Delinquency Rate.  http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,321.msg77878.html#msg77878

I think the real issue here is the process. How long should it take from the time Kiva identifies a problem with a FP before action is taken.
A prime example is Asasah.
Kiva first posted an update on the Partner Page on September 16, 2009 with two additional updates on February 17, 2010 and March 11, 2010.
Asasah was allowed to start fundraising again on or about March 11, 2010

Bashiran Muhammad Rafiq's Group
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Pre-Disbursed : Mar 1, 2010
Listed: Mar 24, 2010
Funded: Mar 24, 2010


But the star rating wasn't changed until May 20, 2010.
That is a little over 8 months. Too long IMHO.
There should be a definite timetable (in most cases) so an update can be posted and the star rating addressed in a timely manner.

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« Reply To This #13 on: May 23, 2010, 02:04:50 AM »

Thanks bikeme!  I had already joined the KACL team, but hadn't seen the Animal Lovers one... much obliged.  I'll check out those other threads you mentioned as well...

I will look into how the autolending feature works, especially as it pertains to delinquency rates.  Because autolending involves software and not just information though, addressing any issues we uncover here will take more time than some of the other questions raised!  Just a heads up...

The feedback on Asasah is useful.  Are there other partners where the star rating has lagged in reflecting Updates on the partner pages?  If there are other cases, it'd be great to look into them all at once.  Or if it's an isolated incident, that'd be great to know that too.

Thanks!
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« Reply To This #14 on: May 23, 2010, 02:39:24 AM »

Welcome John.  It is wonderful to have you here around KivaFriends.  I think you will find a wealth of topics and information here, with so many people with wonderful depths of knowledge, reasoning and understanding to so many topics.

Perhaps you could be included in some/all of my calls with Gerard to add input on whatever we are talking about that day.

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« Reply To This #15 on: May 23, 2010, 02:47:31 AM »

Thanks Charmaine - for the warm welcome, and for everything you do for Kiva!!

I'd love to sit in on a liaison call some time... I'll talk to Gerard about setting that up. :-) 

Gerard will continue to be the main point of contact for KF and the liaison program... he will focus more on customer service, and I will focus more on marketing/information.  Hopefully together, the two of us can work together to advocate for KF within Kiva... as well as serve the community directly here in the forums and on the Kiva website itself!
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« Reply To This #16 on: May 23, 2010, 07:29:01 AM »

I added my views on the Kiva platform usability issue to my original post on this topic.
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« Reply To This #17 on: May 23, 2010, 07:58:00 AM »

I agree that it's ambitious to fulfill every single KF need though... so I am going to start small.  My main focus for now is to show you guys that I am listening to your requests and then taking action.  I won't be able to fulfill every wish, but I am hopeful that I can pick off the requests that are relatively easy to address and take care of them quickly.

Once I've made some progress on that front, I am going to try to:

  • Identify harder issues that share a common root cause, and see if we can address them with a global fix.
  • Find ways to make it easier for the experts at Kiva (i.e. not me) post information on partner pages and also get in front of the lender community.
  • Dig into some of the questions raised around Kiva's values and processes.

I agree that cherry picking is a good way to warm up and get the ball rolling.  Even when you don't please all of the KFers all of the time, simply being more forthcoming on that transparency thing about why things are the way they are will go a long to improving Kiva-Lender relations, IMHO! 
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Re: Values, I am reading through all 16 pages of this thread - let me know if there are other threads I should read:
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,3447.0.html

I believe Geoff did an excellent job expanding the examples of what you might read on the issue.  I hope Judy shares some of her views on this with you as well.

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Re: Transparency, I am going to have to ask the in-house gurus for the details on how the risk ratings work.  Once I have a better understanding of that, I'll be in a better position to respond to your request!

Sounds like a plan!  Smiley
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« Reply To This #18 on: May 23, 2010, 10:04:45 AM »

I believe Geoff did an excellent job expanding the examples of what you might read on the issue.  I hope Judy shares some of her views on this with you as well.

Welcome to Kiva Friends and to Kiva, John.

I was going to give you the link to the second thread about Cockfighting which starts here:
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,1025.msg56211.html#msg56211
but I see Geoff beat me to it.

That thread is long, but I believe it is essential reading if one is to truly understand the Kiva Friends discussion about cockfighting and the passionate feelings and thoughts involved.

Yesterday (by coincidence) (and for a specific purpose about which I will post when the time is appropriate) I re-read every post in both the above mentioned thread and the cockfighting thread and it does not take too long to read them. Most of the posts are well worth reading and are, in fact, necessary reading to gain a full understanding of this issue.

After I organize my thoughts and compile my data I will definitely contact you either through this thread or via PM (whichever I feel is the most appropriate avenue).

(I really hope the bloodsports issue is not at the bottom of your list. It is a huge issue and many lenders have quit lending on Kiva because of it. Many others have continued lending but quit donating to Kiva because of it.)

On another issue, I am wondering what is going on with TYM Fund. There have been problems with TYM Fund repaying their loans since last fall although there are currently no updates on the partner page and they still have a 4 star rating. The entrepreneurs have been repaying but the MFI has consistently been behind with repayments. (This is not reflected in the advanced repayment schedules because Kiva erases the delinquencies when the repayments come in so that it appears that the MFI has been repaying all along even when they have not.) I have several loans with TYM Fund and the last payments were made in March (for April 1). I would like to reiterate what others have said, and that is, there should be frequent updates posted on the MFI page whenever there is a problem with an MFI and these updates should be permanent. Currently, the updates concerning problems with payments or the MFI are usually removed after the MFI pays or the problem is resolved (even if temporarily) so that a lender can not obtain an accurate history.

I might add that Kiva has lost many, many lenders, some of them rather generous lenders with very large portfolios, because of unresolved issues and problems so, for Kiva’s sake, I hope you will be able to fill a long awaited and much needed role.

Again, welcome!. I look forward to communicating with you and to seeing needed changes. Thanks.


Judy

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« Reply To This #19 on: May 23, 2010, 11:34:57 AM »

I will look into how the autolending feature works, especially as it pertains to delinquency rates.  Because autolending involves software and not just information though, addressing any issues we uncover here will take more time than some of the other questions raised!  Just a heads up...

Some of the worst aspects of autolending would take care of themselves if the star rating system were timely and reliable without further programming required.  If a lender selects only 5 star partners, they expect a pretty safe loan.  They don't expect to lend to partners with outrageous delinquency rates. 

Gerard recently told me the rating system was being looked at.  As others have pointed out, there needs to be transparency about the factors included and how they are applied to put any faith in the system at all.  And as long as current delinquency rates are not included in a timely way it just won't work.   Anyone that sees five stars and then looks down and notices a high delinquency rate will realize that the star ratings mean nothing.  If they can't reflect the currently known information about the partner, it would be better and less misleading to not have a star rating at all.

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The feedback on Asasah is useful.  Are there other partners where the star rating has lagged in reflecting Updates on the partner pages?  If there are other cases, it'd be great to look into them all at once.  Or if it's an isolated incident, that'd be great to know that too.

One example I mentioned to Gerard recently are the Lebanese partners.  (And I haven't looked on the partner pages, I pretty much stick to the information in About the Partner on the loan page itself.  I doubt that new lenders spend a lot of time researching all the details on the partner pages. I would guess if they notice the star rating they assume it is accurate and useful.)

Al Majmoua today has 4 stars, they have been on the system 32 months with 2.5 million total loans and a delinquency rate of 1.1%.  Ameen today has 5 stars, but they have only been on the system 20 months with 1.2 million in total loans and their delinquency rate is 4.9%.

I do not see how a partner with a shorter history of more delinquency can have more stars than a partner with a longer history of much lower delinquency.  My only conclusion is that the star ratings are useless at best, and quite possibly misleading. 

There was some talk at some point that star ratings did not take into account delinquency because delinquency is calculated different ways by different entities.  (Unless I misunderstood the point of the statement.)  It seems to me that the only delinquency figure that matters is the one displayed just below the star rating! 

However, if the delinquency rate fluctuates daily throughout the month it is not very useful as a risk gauge. There should be a rate calculated in such a way as to smooth out the daily variation.  Perhaps just the rate from the last day of each month.  And perhaps the monthly rates from the last 12 months to show trends etc.   It would not make sense to have daily delinquency adding and subtracting stars all the time, but some reliable measure of recent delinquency should be included if the star rating is to be trusted, I think.

I am very pleased and encouraged by recent developments I've seen.  The recently announced change to the popularity sort, Gerard's solicitation of input regarding the star ratings, and your presence here, John!  These all seem to bode well for the future!
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