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« on: June 22, 2010, 12:43:58 AM »

I stumbled across this recently, a 3 minute interview Premal did a couple of months ago for the SF Public Press ("noncommercial, public-interest news for the San Francisco Bay Area")



It's mostly familiar "Kiva 101", but towards the end Premal sketches out some plans for Kiva branching out into different kinds of loans over the next year, which I hadn't heard about before.  From the SF Public Press reporter's summary of what Premal said:

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. . . . In the next 12 months, Kiva plans to create a worldwide program to provide loans to students to finance their education. The organization is also planning to create global programs to distribute loans to low-income families to purchase energy-efficient appliances and to upgrade their homes to have better water supply facilities. . . .
http://sfpublicpress.org/news/2010-04/worldwide-micro-lender-looks-homeward-q-a-with-kiva-orgs-premal-shah


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« Reply To This #1 on: June 22, 2010, 08:04:51 AM »

Hello Peter! :-)  A few notes:

There are a growing number of "green" loans on Kiva this year!
http://fellowsblog.kiva.org/2010/02/23/mongolia-goes-green/

NWTF in the Philippines is also offering "solar lantern" loans which cut fuel usage and costs for borrowers:
http://www.kiva.org/lend/196237

Education is actually already baked into the site in some interesting ways I wasn't aware of until recently.  Many Kiva loans implicitly enable student loans, as the entrepreneur uses the profits from their loan to pay for their children's educational expenses!  We're looking into enabling this more directly.

Finally, I don't know if a significant number of water loans have been posted yet, but I am a big fan.  Availability of clean water is a huge need in the developing world.  My parents actually live in a remote village in the Philippines, which has limited availability of running water and electricity.  They've had to build their own well and water tank on their property to make sure there's access to clean water.  It's amazing what an impact that access to clean water can have.

Seeing this all firsthand in the Philippines was a big reason why I personally got involved with Kiva.  It's exciting to have a chance to potentially help alleviate poverty, both as a lender and as a team member!  I'm excited about the potential of loans like these to have an additional impact.  Thanks for bringing this up!
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« Reply To This #2 on: June 22, 2010, 09:35:25 AM »

My first thought was... 'wonderful' because I think many people are just plain tired of 'man with cow' loans.

However, that man with his cow also needs to be promoted and enabled.  The variety of loans on Kiva is great and I think the MFI's need more help to describe the need.  Those MFI's providing solar loans or 'green' loans, when well written up, are snapped up by the lending community.

I hesitate on the student loan aspect.  I think many of us are already supporting organizations such as Education Generaton or Vittana where the focus is strictly to help students who can't get loans in their home countries.  There are also many other sites such as Zafen helping rebuild Haiti or Energy In Common promoting green energy.

There are currently 1100+ loans on Kiva right now, the 15th is past and month end is on it's way.  My personal feeling is that Kiva keeps growing faster than the website and lender base can keep up.  I think I would rather see them consolidating and making better what they already have.  I think Kiva should keep the focus where it has been instead of splintering up.  Kiva could even consider actively supporting and linking to student loan lending sites other than their own.  I would rather see a network of organizations each doing what they do best and supporting each other... than a choice of organizations all trying to do the same things.

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« Reply To This #3 on: June 22, 2010, 10:08:43 AM »

My personal feeling is that Kiva keeps growing faster than the website and lender base can keep up.  I think I would rather see them consolidating and making better what they already have.  I think Kiva should keep the focus where it has been instead of splintering up. 

You're absolutely right that we need to focus on making better what Kiva already has.  This is definitely my priority and focus: improving the existing website and processes!  :-)  I'll be posting more updates on how things are going on that front this week.  It's been a busy few weeks and we have a lot to report!

Was just responding to Peter about some future projects that may come up eventually... and sharing my personal passion for things like water loans!
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« Reply To This #4 on: June 22, 2010, 11:28:45 AM »

You're absolutely right that we need to focus on making better what Kiva already has.  This is definitely my priority and focus: improving the existing website and processes!  :-)  I'll be posting more updates on how things are going on that front this week.  It's been a busy few weeks and we have a lot to report!

Was just responding to Peter about some future projects that may come up eventually... and sharing my personal passion for things like water loans!

The was a big discussion earlier on regarding usa loans http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,3922.0.html with ca 50% pro and 50% against.

One suggestion that came up was putting the us loans on a seperate website.
It has also long been a dream of Premal to pay the lenders interest, and thus be able to get even more capital available for microfinance.
It could bee an idea to combine the ideas with a seperate site with us loans , us lenders only and interest.
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« Reply To This #5 on: June 22, 2010, 11:51:19 AM »

John, would you mind finding out if KIVA has ever considered implementing "KIVASurance" .... something like $0.25 or $0.50 additional cost to insure a $25.00 funding against default.

I really think there is money to be made here, and I'll be happy to sell KIVA the idea  LOL
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« Reply To This #6 on: June 22, 2010, 12:08:57 PM »

Education is actually already baked into the site in some interesting ways I wasn't aware of until recently.  Many Kiva loans implicitly enable student loans, as the entrepreneur uses the profits from their loan to pay for their children's educational expenses!  We're looking into enabling this more directly.

From my experiences searching for "Education" loans on Kiva, I would say it's more like "fried" than "baked"!  Cool Roll Eyes Laugh

A while back, I used "Education" as an example for some of the cool tools Kiva Bank has to search for loans.

The concept of education in Kiva loans really has a number of different meanings, particularly in terms of the borrower's provider/consumer role, such as:
  • the borrower provides education goods or services;
  • the borrower uses an education venue to provide goods or services, related to the venue or not;
  • the borrower wishes to pay for education goods or services.
  • The borrower is an educator, but the loan is for some totally different moonlighting activity, because who can support their family on an educator's income anyway?!!!  Undecided *

Without going into details, here are just a few examples of possible Kiva Bank Advanced Keywords searches and the related RSS Feeds:

* How did I forget this one?! Swoon  My dad was a teacher!!!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply To This #7 on: June 22, 2010, 12:30:56 PM »

Kiva's search function doesn't even include the "activity" field on each loan.  When I pointed it out to Kiva, I got an email back saying in effect, "yes we know it is broken."

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« Reply To This #8 on: June 22, 2010, 06:42:54 PM »

I must say I took what Premal was saying at the end of the interview as returning to a vision he's expressed before for Kiva to diversify into other areas, probably not using exactly the same platform as we have now for loans to "the working poor".  He mentioned as an example of what might happen, a loan to someone across the bay in Oakland who wants to install solar panels, which in view of the cost of that stuff would probably involve lending to the working affluent rather than the working poor.

From the write-up of a conference call in April 2009:

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Premal: let me fast forward to the future. 10 years from now we would like Kiva to be about social transformation - "lending for social change" in a marketplace where activity is transparent

I want to understand where we are going wrong here. Just like on Ebay you can find many things, and leave it to the internet to decide? Would it do more good long-term?

Premal's remark there was after enduring a significantly less than rapturous -- you might even say sharply hostile -- reception for the idea of loans to teachers (scroll down to the section labelled Loans to teachers through Teach For America (TFA) - http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,3371.msg57310.html#msg57310)

My instincts are with Jan on this.  I'd like to see Kiva consolidate, and concentrate on trying to do one thing well, rather than diversify into areas in which it has no special competence.  Perhaps after a full year of experiencing no failed relationships with its microfinance field partners, and demonstrating a real commitment to transparency in various ways, then it could think about expanding into other areas.  Of course the injunction to do one thing well is not one that appeals much in the world of dotcom-ish movers and shakers, where relentless innovation and change tends to be part of the deal.

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« Reply To This #9 on: June 22, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »

I am not too sure that such grandiose visions are only part of the dot com era.  In days gone by, "explorers" sailed their ships to distant lands, stuck a flag on their shores and claimed them for the monarch-of-the-moment.  Then they set sail to find more worlds to conquer.

There were long and vigorous discussions here when some of the original verbiage of Kiva and its website got stretched beyond what terms would normally mean.  Borrowers were all "entrepreneurs" and their activities were all "businesses". 

Some of us decried the mission drift as Kiva moved away from the Grameen model of giving small capital loans to the poor to put to productive use in generating incomes.  It was argued that the poor had other vital needs and if a loan would help them meet these needs, then let's include these needs on Kiva too.  So we saw housing and home improvement loans added, and then other "consumer" type loans as the needs of the poor which could/should be met with micro loans.  These "needs" were viewed differently by various lenders.  So we settled on agreeing to disagree so long as the true nature of the purpose of the loan was disclosed.

With the introduction of the USA loans, we were confronted with the proper definition of "poor" in the Kiva program.

And so on.

The issue may come down to this.  As Richard has pointed out, Kiva has not yet published a statement of values.  Increasingly, Kiva seems to be viewing itself as a neutral web platform for getting borrowers and lenders together--whatever they might be.  An altruistic or philanthropic lender base is increasingly at odds with such a neutral platform view-- it is looking for values and mission it can align itself with.  Kiva seems to be walking a very narrow tightrope.

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