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Author Topic: How/when to inquire about non-disbursed loans  (Read 6931 times)
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Diane R
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« on: July 16, 2007, 10:43:37 AM »

I know Henry made some inquiries about the Slow Boat to Samoa Smiley  but I'm wondering what one might do to inquire about other slow-to-disburse loans. I know he wrote to someone, because he posted his response email(s?). But as I wrote in this thread, I still have two loans that closed in early June that have not been disbursed, while others to folks in the same countries/MFIs were disbursed in the interim. Henry/others: any suggestion about when it might be appropriate to inquire about a specific loan (non-)disbursal, and from whom?

Of course, I *could* just sit and be even more patient, but, well... Ndumi needs to get those school uniforms sewn before fall, and I'm sure Seadat has been really looking forward to improving her inventory.  Smiley

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« Reply To This #1 on: July 16, 2007, 11:17:56 AM »

My email was a direct inquirey to the MFI, if you look at the MFI's webpage, they usually have a contact email posted.  I'd deffinately ask someone.

If they loans are through:   Senegal Ecovillage Microfinance Fund     I'd be asking a different question.  (keep your eyes on this MFI)
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« Reply To This #2 on: July 16, 2007, 12:11:41 PM »

Henry:

Regarding the loans of Senegal Ecovillage Microfinance Funds (SEM), I provide the following quote below from Kiva's Ben Elberger. It was part of post # 25 on the "Concerns over Repayment of Loans" thread and was posted on May 13, 2007, when some of us had questions about SEM's loan repayments.  Hopefully this will be informative.

"With SEM, they do not collect repayments every month for their loans but rather every 4-6 months.  Unfortunately, our software calculates how much they should have repaid every month so their loans look delinquent.  We are redesigning the way that loan repayments are calculated to be able to allow partners to have the flexibility to set the repayment schedule differently than every month if on-the-ground repayments are collected more infrequently than once a month. I know that there are no problems with SEM as an organization and that any reported delinquencies are a function of this "bug" in calculating loan repayments."
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« Reply To This #3 on: July 16, 2007, 01:01:19 PM »

That is interesting.  I wonder if that's noted on their lender page?  Could explain alot. 

I'll check their lender page.  They haven't had any new loans since June 1 ..... 

Have had no new loan request since June 1st according to search. 

Still think we should watch this one.
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« Reply To This #4 on: July 16, 2007, 02:51:08 PM »

Henry:

I think it would be a GREAT idea to explain the collection practices of SEM on their Field Partner page. In fact, I made that suggestion to Ben back in May when he shared the information quoted above. Unfortunately, Kiva has not added this information to SEM's Field Partner page and thus new lenders like yourself are still concerned about the fact that a large percentage of SEM's loans appear to be more than 30 days behind in their payments when they are not.

Ben: Any chance that this bit of information could be added to SEM's Field Partner page?

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« Reply To This #5 on: July 17, 2007, 09:08:02 AM »

I did as suggested (thanks, Henry the Bold! Smiley ) and wrote to the two MFIs of my long-undisbursed loans, asking if they could tell me if there was any problem with the client, or with the area in which they live. (I noticed that there are about 10 undisbursed loans to clients in Agsu, Azerbaijan right now, so maybe there's something going on in that part of the world that I haven't heard about -- wouldn't be the first time! -- or perhaps the Agsu rep is ill or away.)  Overnight, I received this lovely email response from Irene Kamau at Action Now: Kenya, concerning Ndumi Mutua's loan:

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Dear Diane,

Thank you for writing to us, and it is always a pleasure for us to give any information with regard to any of our clients.

With regard to the loan for Ndumi Mutua, we wish to inform you that we have actually began to make the purchases for the cloth materials that she had requested. Within Action Now Kenya, we have a system that we use, whereby once we draw a profile for any business, we put it on a queue to raise funds. When the funds are raised, we only receive them once during the beginning of the following month, when the funds are sent to us from Kiva. (Currently we are still trying to raise a reserve that will enable us to be able to disburse loans to businesses immediately they raise funds on the website, but that is still underway.) We therefore received the funds for this business during the first week of July 2007. Once the funds are raised, we go back to the initial queue, and we begin to disburse the loans in the order of the queue. For our loan disbursements, we usually do not just give the cash directly. We usually give the loans in kind. Therefore, we get the ANK official in charge of that business to call up the  client, and to make an appointment when they are ready to go and buy the items requested.  The ANK staff together with the client then go out to the shops or market (based on the choice of the client) to buy whatever items. In this case, For Ndumi we are buying an assortment of tailoring materials. Sometimes it takes some time to find all the materials that the client requires, all at once. (Hence for this case we are now on the third day today.) This means that in some cases, the purchase can take a few days to be completed, unlike in a case where the item being bought is just one item like a freezer. Once all the purchases are done, we then go to the website and mark the loan as disbursed.

I hope this keeps you in light of the situation with regard to the loan for Ndumi. I therefore wish to assure you that there is nothing to worry about, since we are hoping that by the time the staff member comes back in today, she will have concluded to make the purchases for Ndumi. We however appreciate the fact that you have made a follow up on this business to establish its status, and we will be happy to make any further clarifications with regard to this or any other business.

In the meantime Diane, we appreciate your support to this and other businesses into which you have made an input. I have watched these loans, changing lives and making a really big difference in the clients lives.
Thank you very much Dianne. We shall stay in touch. 


Sincerely,

Irene  Kamau
Action Now Kenya.


I can say two things about this response:
  • 1.  WOW! and
  • 2.  Ndumi Mutua's loan disbursed this morning. So she now has all the material she needs to make those school uniforms for fall.

  Grin

I knew about the "first of the next month funds are sent to the MFIs" and that most did not have a cushion as Prisma does to act as soon as loans are shown as funded on the website, but I had NO IDEA that the MFI staff actually buys the requested items for/with the clients, but.... WOW. This is SO much more amazing than I'd even imagined.

GO NDUMI MUTUA! GO ACTION NOW: KENYA!  GO KIVA!

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« Reply To This #6 on: July 17, 2007, 09:23:50 AM »

Interesting, very interesting.... 
Wouldn't most of that make a nice jornal entry?
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« Reply To This #7 on: July 17, 2007, 10:04:23 AM »

Diane, this certainly is great news for Ndumi! It is heartwarming the level of support ANK gives to her and the others businesses they support.  Smiley

However, Irene's message to you reveals a potential issue with the ANK business model.

Once the funds are raised, we go back to the initial queue, and we begin to disburse the loans in the order of the queue.

This "first-come, first-served" approach is based on the assumption that all ANK listings on Kiva will be funded.  Even though this appears to be the case (so far), this still is a risk that has to be managed, such as with the reserve Irene mentioned. 

This also suggests a disconnect between Kiva Lenders' funds and how they are distributed to ANK businesses.  We are not funding the particular business we bid on, but just the next one in the cue.  Even if the chances of some earlier loan application not being funded at all are slim to none, the chances of of a loan we fund getting bumped back a month would appear to be much greater.  I expect most Kiva Lenders won't worry too much about this.  However, this still is another example that supports the notion that Field Partner pages should clearly and accurately describe the loan application, dispersal and collection procedures they use, especially when they are at odds with what Kiva generally describes them to be.
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« Reply To This #8 on: July 17, 2007, 10:12:08 AM »

I guess we are all guessing here, but perhaps the queue refers to the list of FUNDED loans for the month, not necessarily all loans profiled.  Huh?

If they in fact get involved in the actual purchases from loan proceeds, I would imagine that to be a staff intensive task, necessitating some form of order for working on them.  This would certainly make sense and would fit with what was reported.
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« Reply To This #9 on: July 17, 2007, 10:18:34 AM »

AccountAbility, I like your assumptions better than mine!  Shocked Roll Eyes Huh? Tongue
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