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Author Topic: New Field Partners Risk Rating System  (Read 16236 times)
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« on: August 02, 2007, 11:08:26 PM »

I like the new 'Field Partners Risk Rating' system. The ratings will give newbies and others loan risk guidance at a glance. I'm surprised, a few are rated lower than I expected, some higher.
 

 
 
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« Reply To This #1 on: August 02, 2007, 11:15:10 PM »

New feature? Or am I just slow. I like it.

(edit: merged my thread into Fred's, as he started one about this topic a few minutes minutes before I did Smiley I really like the "at a glance" box on business pages. That will come in VERY handy and will hopefully inspire some of the bottom rated MFIs to perform better.)

Partner list:
http://www.kiva.org/about/partners

On a Partner page:
http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=aboutPartner&id=7

On a Business page (#12 on the Kiva Friends group account, by the way):
http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&action=about&id=14773
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« Reply To This #2 on: August 03, 2007, 05:56:58 AM »

they didn't get that idea from me did they?!!  Wink   I like it, now where does it say how they calculate it?
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I'm trying to establish a "Loan Risk Level"  using Data that is provided from the following pages:

MFI Page, Client Page(client-person borrowing), Region/Country

Can anyone think of an easy source for that or a formula for it?
http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,532.msg3061.html#msg3061

did you find the ONE STARS!
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« Reply To This #3 on: August 03, 2007, 08:40:29 AM »

Interesting, and very much appreciated!

I wouldn't do much honor to myself if I couldn't come up with an observation....
In the description of how ratings are done, it says:
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Kiva Repayment Performance over time

Like other online marketplaces (e.g. eBay), Kiva incorporates the long term repayment performance of each Field Partner into their Risk Rating Ð allowing less reputable Field Partners to build their reputation online.

So then how come that several new partners, like Finca Perú, ProMujer Bolivia, and Microfinanzas Prisma (Perú), have a 5 star rating? They certainly don't have a repayment history....

It would also be interesting to know how each of the criteria is rated and weighed when determining the rating. Similar to what the Mix does...

For the rest, as they say here in Boston, this is WICKED COOL STUFF.

thanks, Kiva!

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« Reply To This #4 on: August 03, 2007, 01:16:06 PM »

Ramon, I'd like to know how the factors are weighed too. I was glad to see the majority of my MFIs had plenty of stars, but was shocked to see 9% of my portfolio which is with the Kraban Support Foundation in Ghana, rated only one star.
 
I picked Ghana initially because of a friend from Ghana at work. I could ask him questions about his country. After excellent repayments, I lent more.
 
The Women's Initiative to Eradicate Poverty has also received one star. Kiva knows things I don't, but based on my personal experience, it doesn't seem fair to give them both one star. I haven't received a loan payment from WITEP in almost 7 months, while KSF has been almost "Prisma like" in their repayments.
 
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« Reply To This #5 on: August 03, 2007, 01:37:42 PM »

shhhhhhhh, nobodys talking about witep! Wink  well, I can't find a KIVA comment on it of recent.

I'm with Ramon definately.....how did those MFI's get all the stars? 
Did KIVA jump the gun on this rating system? Is this a prep up for a 'lenders are made aware of potential risk before they fund a loan' type statement in the future.

I'm glad they did something though, wish it had been there when I stated funding, but.....   as long as my money got to the people I picked, I'm mostly ok whatever the outcome.  As I picked each loan for a reason that touched me in some fashion, I HOPE I get to reloan that money, if I don't .....  I can live with it - just instead of three cheers and a hip hip hoorah! for KIVA i'll only be giving a hip hip hoo! Cheesy


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« Reply To This #6 on: August 03, 2007, 10:17:18 PM »

Dear Henry and Fred,
      WITEP  WHO?

    Good for you, our Inimitable Henry, for continuing to "worry that WITEP bone,"
    you who don't even have any loans out with WITEP, I don't think.   ***

   

*** (This all to be read in "sotto voice/voce"
      -- whatever that is).


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« Reply To This #7 on: August 03, 2007, 10:41:19 PM »

Hey Jill, i'm not sure it really matters what type of voice it's said in.  quiet or loud

yes, I want to know about witep, me having any of those loans or not doesn't matter.  what matters to me and I hope a few others is how KIVA handles that type of situation (which I hope never arrises ) now and in the future. 

now, if I could play music while you read that I would.  of course, it wouldn't be unchained melody i never got past she'll be coming round the corner when she comes.

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« Reply To This #8 on: August 04, 2007, 04:55:34 PM »

The stars for newer partners are based up their records, their solvency (do they have reserves, do they run in the black or red) and such.  I am happy to have gotten something like this.  I wish they had had this back when WITEP had so many loans...

WITEP is approaching those end of loan periods, and most of them seem to have stopped paying by early February.  As I calculate it, if all these loans go south, then there will be about 2% of ALL loans defaulting.  I have not heard anything about WITEP from any official sources.  Some of the loans are more than six months past due with no payments since Jan/Feb.  Yet there are no comments, updates, or update on the status.  They aren't marked as defaulted...

It sure helps Kiva stats to ignore WITEP.  If something is in the works, let us know.  If it is a total loss, then start marking those loans as bad.  In spring there was a person looking into things, but he has returned from this assignment months ago and still no news. 

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« Reply To This #9 on: August 04, 2007, 11:35:23 PM »


First, let me say I applaud Kiva’s addition of the five-star Field Partner Risk Rating system.  This system provides valuable and useful information for lenders to help them judge the risk of lending to businesses offered by the Field Partners.  The rating system is comprehensive in that it evaluates a wide variety of financial and performance information about a partner’s lending practices and track record.  It is consistent in that it communicates all ratings in terms of the “amount of evidence demonstrating high likelihood of repayment.”

However, the main weakness of this rating system, as I see it, is in its consistency.  In effect, a low rating of “1” or “2” is communicated as being the result of the absence of positive information.  These low ratings are described as they are “often a result of the Field Partner being a very young organization or the lack of immediately available, low cost of third-party verification options.”  Unfortunately, that is not always the case.  For certain Field Partners, the lowest rating is the result of the presence of negative information, specifically, very high delinquency rates.

The net effect of the current rating system is that where it needs to be the most sensitive – at the lowest ratings – it confounds qualitatively different circumstances.  Both young, relatively untested partners, such as FDM (Fundo De Desenvolvimento Mulher), and established partners with excessive delinquency rates, such as Women Initiative to Eradicate Poverty receive the same rating of “1.”  Consequently, new partners that easily can be given the benefit of the doubt are subjected to “guilt by association” by being placed in the same category as partners in jeopardy of being “deactivated.”

So, what is the solution to this bad apples and green oranges living together dilemma?  I believe the first step is to acknowledge when negative information, such as high delinquency/default rates are present.  I fully expect this information already is taken into account to determine the ratings.  It just isn’t communicated by the current rating definitions.  The second step would be to separate the “very little positive information” partners from the “substantive negative information” partners.  The “simplest” way to do this would be to create a “six-star” system.  Add a “0” star rating that means, “a significant amount of evidence demonstrating low likelihood of repayment.” 

Of course, more or fewer than six stars could be used, but the key to fixing the current “problem” with  the risk rating system is to separate “little good information” partners from “too much bad information” partners.  As long as the system stands as it is, those partners that need the most benefit of the doubt will be unduly penalized by association with those who have “earned” their cautionary lot.
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