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Author Topic: Post One, Post All . Hey, Shadow-Lurkers, This Is YOUR Call  (Read 6038 times)
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« Reply To This #40 on: August 17, 2008, 11:18:03 AM »

I was thinking about this some more. I know the Quilt Team and the KSC team have had some regular private meetings in chat that probably wouldn't work on the forum and I think their discussions were probably serious in nature.
-Scott

Dan and Scott, I am very much enjoying this discussion, and I would just like to interject to say that I think you are more in agreement than you might think. What I mean by this is that I think you are using the word "serious" in slightly different ways.

To Dan I think this forum is for thoughtful public discussion of Kiva issues that can be documented for all Kiva lenders.  Conversations via threads allow individuals to craft a reply or a post and have others reply with thoughtfulness.  I think for Dan "serious" involves the idea of think twice - post once.  That type of seriousness is difficult if not impossible in chat.

But to Scott, I think you are using the word more broadly.  To take the example of KSC discussions you reference.  Sure those are "serious" in that we accomplish something when we take a meeting in there.  Usually it is just questions Jane or I have, or deciding what to do next.  These discussions have no business using up thread bandwith and therefore chat is exactly the right place for them.

Where I think there may be common ground that you are not recognizing is when you reference the MFI discussions in chat.  I agree with Dan in so far as the information we glean on MFI matters deserves to be preserved in threads where it can be reviewed by interested parties for as long as the information is relevant, and probably much longer.  But chat discussions can be good for people who are interested in the issues, but are not sure they have grasped all the information they have read so far. For these people using chat to talk them over in real time is helpful.  Most of these kind of discussions need not be recorded, and are simply a means for some to better understand complex issues in order to make their own contributions to the ongoing conversation.  The end of the chat session may result in a post in a thread, or just a better understanding by one or more lender of a complex issue, either is a valuable thing.

People have different methods of absorbing information.  Having both the threads and chat in the Kiva Friends forum allows everyone to participate in  a way that works better for their own needs and preferences. Hopefully we can look at both areas of the forum as useful tools that we can use to foster the support and growth of Kiva and Kiva lenders.

-Kerry-
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« Reply To This #41 on: August 17, 2008, 12:10:29 PM »

Lurkers: Reading posts in the Forum by lurkers doesn't do any harm.  Some people are just shy and don't feel they have anything to add or say.  It would be great if they took the risk and added their own posts, even if they chose a non-controversial topic.  Everyone has SOMETHING interesting to say/contribute and it is interesting to hear other points of view.

KF Forum has changed radically since I joined in April 2007, so have the posters and needless to say, the amount of threads have expanded well into the hundreds (it can be confusing.)

I have a love/hate relationship with Chat.  Because I type slowly, if I want to add anything it is usually two or three conversations behind by the time it goes up. Sad  Then I have to read like crazy to catch-up what I've missed by typing.........well, you get the picture.  On the other hand, Chat is a great place to become acquainted with other Kivans on a more personal level (when there are just a few in the Chat room.)  The trouble with lurkers in Chat, unlike the Forum, is that it feels as though you have someone eavesdropping on the conversation. It can be unsettling and uncomfortable to have someone 'listening in' especially if the conversation becomes quite personal.
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« Reply To This #42 on: August 17, 2008, 03:56:09 PM »

Dan and Scott, I am very much enjoying this discussion, and I would just like to interject to say that I think you are more in agreement than you might think.

People have different methods of absorbing information.  Having both the threads and chat in the Kiva Friends forum allows everyone to participate in  a way that works better for their own needs and preferences. Hopefully we can look at both areas of the forum as useful tools that we can use to foster the support and growth of Kiva and Kiva lenders.

Great post, Kerry. Excellently written. You are right. Dan and I are not disagreeing  Angry, we are disagreeing  Empathy, I believe!  Smiley

Also, don't forget PMs, those are another medium on the site that can be used for serious stuff. I think Dan's got a point in there though that might look like this.

SERIOUS CONTENT to NOT SERIOUS CONTENT RATIO
Kivapedia: 100% - 0%
Forums: 80% - 20%
PMs 40% - 60%
Chat 20% - 80%

So, in that sense, when you compare chat to the other mediums, yes, it's not as dense, but still important for what it does.

I agree with Odette too, chat is a great place to get to know your fellow KivaFriends users on a more personal level in a more immediate way. Also, just as a side note, a number of Master Saab Technicians on my site who work all week just don't have time to participate in the forums, but they all stop by for the Saturday night Tech Chat to answer car questions from Saab owners in real time! That's been a terrific use of chat for me. I also have guest speakers come in for a live visit from around the Saab community. Maybe someday we can have a guest Kiva speaker come chat with us live.

-Scott
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« Reply To This #43 on: August 23, 2008, 07:56:21 PM »

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