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Author Topic: Ability to re-lend funds when loan installments are paid  (Read 4226 times)
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« on: November 21, 2007, 12:05:09 AM »

This has been mentioned before in other areas on Kivafriends (such as the Washington DC meetup thread), but I wanted to add an official topic to the suggestion box.  At the meetup, some Kiva staffers mentioned that they were working on giving lenders the opportunity to re-lend funds as soon as the amount from repaid loans reached at least $25 in Kiva credit.  For example, if a lender had 10 active loans and each borrower repaid a first installment of $2.50, they could re-lend the $25 to another borrower.

This is going to be so awesome and I can't wait until it is a new feature!

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« Reply To This #1 on: November 21, 2007, 12:28:01 AM »

Actually, it was Premal who mentioned this possibility--and I would like to see it happen, as well! Smiley
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« Reply To This #2 on: November 21, 2007, 06:25:33 AM »

Very smart idea. 

I'm all for getting money which is already in the system back into the field asap, and this seems a simple (tell that to the programmers) way of doing that *and* having lenders retain a connection with the entrepreneurs.

[ With that in mind I've previously suggested something along the lines of http://www.kivafriends.org/index.php/topic,1229.0.html as another way of keeping the funds circulating.  The method I suggested loses the connection with the entrepreneur (only as far as the system auto-picks the project for you, but you stil get disbursal and payment reports) and as a more 'industrial' approach hasn't proved terribly popular.  ]

I'm sure this idea is going to be popular with the readers of this forum, and I certainly can't wait to use it when/if it's implemented.  I've plenty of loans out there which are a long way from coming to term but which cumulatively have repaid enough to kick-off some fresh projects and change a few more lives.  Wink
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« Reply To This #3 on: November 21, 2007, 07:20:17 AM »

... and this seems a simple (tell that to the programmers) way of doing that ...
The matter appears to be easy: The computer has allready now the required information as it is able to send us repayment notices. A few instructions in the program loop are enough to credit our Kiva account.

But Kiva must be sure that the funds have actually been repaid by the borrowers. There is only one monthly payment of the balance between Kiva and the MFI. If the MFI has made more new loans than the installments on the old loans, then Kiva has to transfer the money. Kiva is in control of the situation and can credit our accounts. If the MFI has to make the net payment, Kiva must wait until the funds have really arrived. If some loans are late with their payments, Kiva must detect them before knowing whose account is to be credited.

Anyhow, this can be solved with a proper analysis and programming, together with good administrative procedures. The real problem in the short term is that there aren't simply enough available new loans. This is a matter of millions of dollars, so we need thousands of loans. My guess is that this feature will be implemented progressively. For instance, the old loans could keep their repayment system, whereas the new loans will switch to the new system. This will give Kiva nearly 2 years to get enough new loans.
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« Reply To This #4 on: November 21, 2007, 10:05:05 AM »

I mentioned on a couple of other threads that I'm extremely eager for this to be implemented, but I doubt it will be soon. Making the money immediately available will more than double the number of loans possible in a given year - and that's just the first year! I think Kiva has a long way to go to get that many borrowers into the pipeline. Heck, they're still limiting loans to $25! Maybe when they fill those vacancies for partner developers and get them trained and up and running, but it's got to take a little time.

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« Reply To This #5 on: November 21, 2007, 03:03:38 PM »

I think the overriding issue holding back the immediate crediting of monthly repayments is the lack of assurance that this is real money. 

Kiva is operating on an exception basis--namely a loan repayment is automatically generated each month unless the MFI manually stops it from occurring.  If the manual interception were to occur after the post (as we have seen on numerous occasions), and the funds were already made available to lenders, it would be almost impossible to unravel the string of transactions which occurred from the erroneous posts.

While it sounds like an excellent idea in theory, I think it is a long way from reality.

Dan
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« Reply To This #6 on: November 21, 2007, 03:22:05 PM »

I was under the impression that the MFIs actually hold accounts with Kiva and Kiva simply deducts the repaid amount from the account, while crediting the amount loaned. Money doesn't actually get transfered to the MFI, but the liability is covered. This would eliminate all transaction fees. After all, to the bank it doesn't matter where their reserves are physically located. That'd also mean that Kiva got interest for the repaid amount until Kiva sends it back to the lenders, which is revenue they probably need.

Just something to consider, I'd personally love if I could re-loan it even quicker Wink And it may also help some longer term loans get funded. (think 2-3 years)
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« Reply To This #7 on: November 21, 2007, 06:38:18 PM »

As usual, the devil is in the details.  While the aggregate funds due both to and from the MFI is reasonably accurate after all the netting out is done, when it gets down to balancing this to the individual loans which allegedly are being repaid, even the 5% variable which Kiva claims is the range for error (per month) would more than eat up any interest the account might make.  And once it was posted as a usable credit to the respective lenders of each loan, it is not going to be reversible.

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« Reply To This #8 on: November 23, 2007, 01:29:31 PM »

I think this is a great idea, and I don't see that any of the current objections hold if kiva simply holds the funds for a month to assure that the transactions are real ( like clearing a check).

I came to kiva with $500 and would like to keep that revolving, but my current situation is that I have

$244 "repaid"
$456 "loaned"

so I have put $700 in in an attempt to keep $500 working, but I'm still $50 down even though five times that has already been repaid. So I'll put in another $50 (since $500 in use is my current objective) and then I'll have only 2/3 of the money actually being used at any given moment.
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« Reply To This #9 on: November 24, 2007, 01:46:30 PM »

You have our vote too on this.  It would be great to maximize the amount of our loan money which is active at any given time, rather than sitting idle in someone's account.  Waiting a month to make sure the money has actually been received would not be a problem.

Here's hoping that Kiva can resolve the issues and come up with a solution.

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