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Author Topic: Non-Attachment, Selfless Service and Kiva Lending  (Read 9956 times)
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RichardF
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« on: March 04, 2008, 10:15:27 PM »

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Disclaimer:  Lately, I’ve been doing some thinking about Kiva…

What if the value in lending at Kiva were to experience giving and then letting go?
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« Reply To This #1 on: March 04, 2008, 10:25:54 PM »

I thought it was if you love something, set it free.   Undecided

Seriously, do you mean letting go of money?  Or do you mean letting go of ideas such as when something gets confrontational and unpleasant on the boards just let it go; is it all about the loaning?  Please expound on your meaning...

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« Reply To This #2 on: March 04, 2008, 10:42:02 PM »

I thought maybe he meant letting go of lending.  Huh?

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« Reply To This #3 on: March 04, 2008, 10:46:25 PM »

Dottie,

It is like art--it means what you think it means.

Hmm, open ended and not controversial.  I like this thread.

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« Reply To This #4 on: March 04, 2008, 10:58:08 PM »

Richard, are you having a crisis?  Scratch Head   SOS


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« Reply To This #5 on: March 05, 2008, 02:53:45 AM »


Disclaimer:  Lately, I've been doing some thinking about Kiva…

What if the value in lending at Kiva were to experience giving and then letting go?


I'd like to hear a littlebit more about what you mean here too.

Non-Attachment and Selfless Service are very interesting discussion topics and I'd love to join in a discussion about them, but I am a bit in the blue right now....
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« Reply To This #6 on: March 05, 2008, 03:53:59 AM »

Richard,

you don't believe how happy I am to see you posting here again...when I saw you started a new thread, I rushed here immediately to see what you wanted to share. I have been missing you around.

In my eyes, helping is never selfless and it is good it isn't: In giving and helping others I am giving to myself as well. If I do it right, that is, always taking my needs and situation into account. The incentive to help is not selfless, it is meant to help me as well.

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« Reply To This #7 on: March 05, 2008, 12:53:42 PM »

Indeed, I think Richard makes a good point, and I think that it applies to both the loaning as well as ideas and pre-conceived notions etc.

I never really thought of Kiva as another vehicle through which I can practice non-attachment (I recently started studying Buddhism). But this is a good reminder.

In the end it's better for us if we aren't attached to the funds... in case they never get paid back, and to our views, so that our worries and disagreements here on the forum don't snowball with un-intended consequences.

Hmmm.. food for thought. Excellent!
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« Reply To This #8 on: March 05, 2008, 06:41:54 PM »

Hi everyone!  Interesting comments.  Smiley

Colette, I just wanted to put something out there and see what comes back.  I agree it is a bit of an artsy question.

Dottie, no, no crisis here, but thanks for asking.

Tatiana, “Non-attachment” and “selfless service” are two deliberately ambiguous terms I picked to get at the question of why we do something for others and what we get out of it ourselves.  Just asking the question has meaning to me.

Oli, thanks for the sentiment.  It’s definitely the rule that we do for others because we receive benefits ourselves.  Are there degrees, are there limits?  What of conflicting interests?  Where do you draw the line?  When does altruism turn into self-gratification?

Sherri, asanga, non-attachment, detachment, is a fundamental principle of many traditions and practices I appreciate.  It’s part of the tradition I follow as well, and the primary motivator for me contemplating how it applies to my experiences through Kiva.
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« Reply To This #9 on: March 05, 2008, 08:14:26 PM »

I never really thought of Kiva as another vehicle through which I can practice non-attachment (I recently started studying Buddhism). But this is a good reminder.

A very good point Sherri! Kiva is a wonderful way to practice non-attachment. Kiva is also a wonderful way to facilitate relief from suffering, another principle of the Buddhist path.

I find myself constantly evaluating different causes with regards to how much of my donation will actually get to those in need.  And while I have other charities I enjoy donating to, I find Kiva to be the most satisfying thus far.  I treat each loan as a donation with the hope that I will get to recycle the money and loan to someone else in need.  If I do not get repaid, that's okay. I know that the borrower surely needed the money more than I.   

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